4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
history experts
question for the Baja history experts
the bay north of La Paz is called "Igabia" on the 1757 Jesuit map
where is the name coming from?
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64488
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Hi Harald,
I checked my index for the Dawson books (50 volumes, many Jesuit missionary authors), Harry Criosby's Antigua California (Jesuit Baja history) and
'Black Robes in Lower California' (Jesuit Baja history), and found no listing fro Igabia or Ygabia.
A Google search also has none.
In 2004, I posted my first scan of the 1757 map and there was some interesting discussion on it from Dr. Robert Jackson (academicanarchist) and Lee
Massey (bajalera). Here is that thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=2414
The images posted back then are no longer on Nomad... Here are scans of the 1757 Venegas/ Jesuit propaganda map (data on it is from 1747):
Closer in north and south halves:
|
|
|
MrBillM
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21656
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Out and About
Member Is Offline
Mood: It's a Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah Day
|
|
Is it the Bay ?
Or a name given to that shoreline ?
|
|
|
4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
since we are on this old map - can't make sense of Mission de S. Rosa.
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
misplaced Todos Santos?
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64488
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Yes, in a sense:
The creator of this map confused the San José del Cabo mission visita of Santa Rosa with the new mission of Santa Rosa de las Palmas at Todos Santos.
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Good question, Bill. I too am inclined to think "shoreline".
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64488
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Interesting also that there is one and two of those long s letters in the abbreviated word Mission. Santa Rosa has one and San José has two...??
|
|
|
4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Yes, in a sense:
The creator of this map confused the San José del Cabo mission visita of Santa Rosa with the new mission of Santa Rosa de las Palmas at Todos Santos.
|
Visita Santa Rosa?
Donde?
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
I am amazed of the many mistakes on this Jesuit map
There is no I. (Isla) de San Lorenzo between Pichilingue and Isla Espiritu Santo
but I like the creative place names
Sierra del Enfado - the mountains of anger
with the help of Spanish experts we narrowing in on "Igabia" - the saddle
whether it is referring to the steep sierra or the coastline is in the air
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64488
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
The next town north of San José del Cabo... Santa Rosa, named from the visita.
In the (most excellent) Lower California Guidebook, are the details:
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64488
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Maybe Harald has a 1750's Spanish dictionary source? Words do change over the years.
As for incorrect names, it is really the mapmaker's free hand. If in the 1750s he didn't know the name (or even if he did) he could gain some
popularity if he uses names of his own choosing.
|
|
|
4x4abc
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4165
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: happy - always
|
|
my Mexican friends who found "saddle" for Gabia can't remember their source.
And they found Gabia and not Igabia.
Las Gabias is a district in Spain
Harald Pietschmann
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17332
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | question for the Baja history experts
the bay north of La Paz is called "Igabia" on the 1757 Jesuit map
where is the name coming from?
|
Some Spanish tourist dude from the early- to mid-1700s named a shoreline “igabia,” as it reminded him of his igabia.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
John Harper
Super Nomad
Posts: 2289
Registered: 3-9-2017
Location: SoCal
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Some Spanish tourist dude from the early- to mid-1700s named a shoreline “igabia,” as it reminded him of his igabia. |
Are you sure he was a tourist? Not a traveler?
John
|
|
|
AKgringo
Elite Nomad
Posts: 5815
Registered: 9-20-2014
Location: Anchorage, AK (no mas!)
Member Is Offline
Mood: Retireded
|
|
It depends....did he take home tacky souvenirs?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
