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mtgoat666
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Paul, you are talking nonsense, it is fact that HIV causes AIDS.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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gnukid
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Well, there you go again.
Goat=Sociopath
Anyone can do the research to see that Dr Gallo and Fauci falsified the claim that HIV is a cause of AIDS, the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome,
which is a general syndrome of poor health. Many court cases were decided to show fallacy of connection, no isolation of AIDS as a unique disease, no
test because there is no unique illness that is isolated, just as there s no unique COVID19 isolated virus?
Goat illustrates his gross ignorance of basic health by promoting HIV=AIDS which is well documented as false, using RT PCR as a test, along with the
same RT-PCR test used for SARSII-COVID-19, based on no validated isolation.
This is not an argument from me or Goat, do a search on does HIV cause AIDS, is the RT PCR test a valid test for HIV or COVID19.
I can provide hundreds of studies and documentaries, and I have to show the fallacy of this Fauci promoted lie, yet it is up to you to do your own
research and read, or end up like Goat, Bill, and Harper, blaming children for health risk, and restricting kids birthday parties?
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gnukid
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxvmKHYajQ
Dr. Fauci is leading promotor of SARS II COVID19 as a global threat requiring physical isolation, reduced physical activity outdoors, global life
changing economic shutdown and unprecedented, unexplainable loss if individual inalienable rights and freedom guaranteed by our constitution as the
mark of our liberty and model for our society, while touting a looming deadly pre-simulated pandemic.
Fauci, along with Gallo and Gates emphatically promoted a direct connection between HIV and AIDS and treatment with the drug AZT.
Gates promoted the HPV global vaccine that was extremely damaging to young girls, needlessly.
AZT was also extremely damaging, HIV is not demonstrated to be a direct cause of AIDS. Surprisingly if you ask for an AIDS test, there is no test nor
a uniquely identified signature for AIDS, there is only a questionnaire, and the questions are different depending on which country you are in.
Seriously. Does anyone recall the fear of catching AIDS? And now what? It turns out that lifestyle and nutrition is a cause of immunodeficiency.
HIV-AIDS-AZT was a fraud, a scam and the profited and took over health care budgets through fraud now, they are in control and continue to put
populations even more so at risk.
Fauci also touted a questionnaire for Covid19 initially in cooperation with Google? also a 5 minute quick test, even the PCR tests as the so called
standard today, reportedly, should not be used for SARS II Covid19 and results in 80% false positive. Today, only DNA isolation under microscope can
identify SARS II Covid19 virus in a patient, though apparently a antibody blood test is developed to see if you carry antibodies for COVID19.
Let’s ask ourselves, who is Dr. Fauci , what is his role, what is his past, present involvement and partnerships, and whose best interest is he
working for?
Personally, when I listen to Fauci and Gates speak, they promote perpetual uncertainty, fear, exaggeration, and soon, maybe, a vaccine that he
requires you to take.
I’m not filled with confidence, I don’t hear common sense health and wellness leadership that resonates with experience, I hear fear, confusion,
nonsense, modeling, simulation, sensationalism and in general an unsuccessful, and harmful approach to our society that has significantly harmed each
of our ability to survive in a healthy environment.
REFERENCES
- Adams, Jad: AIDS, The HIV Myth, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1989.
- Bethel, Tom: "The Cure that Failed: Did the AIDS lobby know what it was doing when it pressed the government to approve AZT?" National Review, 10
May 1993, pp.33-35.
- Duesberg, Peter: "AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Non-Contagious Risk Factors", Pharmac. Ther. 55:201-277, 1992. Also see: Duesberg, P.:
Infectious AIDS: Have We Been Misled?, North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, 1996; and AIDS; Virus or Drug Induced?; Contemporary Issues in Genetics and
Evolution, Vol. 5, Edited by Peter H. Duesberg (Partly reprinted from Genetica Vol. 95, No. 1-3, 1995) Kluwer Academics Press Dordrecht, The
Netherlands,1996.
- Fumento, Michael: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy has been Distorted by Media and Partisan Politics, Basic Books, NY 1990.
- Fumento, M.: "Teenaids, the Latest HIV Fib", New Republic, 10 August 1992, pp.17-19.
- Rappoport, J.: AIDS, Inc.: Scandal of the Century, Human Energy Press, San Bruno, CA, 1988.
- Root-Bernstein, Robert: Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of Premature Consensus, Free Press, NY, 1993.
- Harman, Robert: "The Emotional Plague and the AIDS Hysteria," Journal of Orgonomy, 22(2):173-195, Nov. 1988.
Postscript : Controlled scientific studies have recently been undertaken on the Western Blot and ELISA "AIDS tests", demonstrating a very high rate of
false-positives among both sick and healthy people who have never been exposed to HIV, but who have, instead, previously experienced general
immunological stress of various sorts. These "AIDS tests" often yield a "positive" result if the tested individual has previously been exposed to
other viruses and microbes, foreign blood proteins (as from transfusions), and/or excessive toxic illegal or legal drugs, including excessive
antibiotics. HIV has very little to do with the "positivity" of the so-called "AIDS tests". These new studies further prove that AIDS is not an
infectious disorder and has little or no relationship to the virus HIV. See:
Eleini Papadopulos-Eleopulos, et al: "Is a Postive Western Blot Proof of HIV Infection?", Biotechnology, Vol.11, June 1993, p.696-707.
Oscar Kashala, et al: "Infection with Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 (HIV-1) and Human T Cell Lymphotropic Viruses among Leprosy Patients and
Contacts: Correlation Between HIV-1 Cross-Reactivity and Antibodies to Lipoarabinomannan", J. Infectious Diseases, 1994:169:296-304.
HIV=AIDS: Fact or Fraud? A Stephen Allen film.
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gnukid
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Do your own research about Fauci's HIV = AIDS fraud.
It's common knowledge in the public domain that Fauci and Dr Gallo committed fraud to promote causation of HIV to cause AIDS to promote the sale of
AZT which caused more harm.
Here are broad range of sources from NYT as well as academic studies, to remind you about Fauci's Aids fraud?
https://archive.nytimes.com/query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage-9...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150827141911.h...
https://www.spin.com/featured/aids-and-the-azt-scandal-spin-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnYciuXeB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xlfHHAcBI
https://www.the-scientist.com/news/apathy-outrage-accompany-...
http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2008/10/patent-dispute-cost...
https://needtoknow.news/2020/04/the-greatest-criminal-fraud-...
https://newspunch.com/10-scientific-reasons-why-hiv-cannot-c...
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/aids-caused-by-cellular-f...
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/09/prweb28144.htm
https://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/community-healt...
https://medicalveritas.org/leaked-mail-mercola-meltdown-and-...
https://www.verywellhealth.com/hiv-does-not-cause-aids-in-th...
https://theduran.com/the-coronavirus-hoax-2/
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45069570-fauci
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/anthony_fauci_t...
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gnukid
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Quote: Originally posted by lencho  |
Sorry, I'm struggling to ignore everything I've been taught for the last 30+ years in order to consider what you're postulating here.
Are you saying that it's possible to have AIDS without being infected with HIV?  |
Lencho, I'm not postulating, Fauci was the promoter of HIV as a cause of Aids and the prescription of AZT, it was incumbent on him and his associates
to make the argument and prove it. Of course, science evolves. At the time, 30 plus years ago they made a claim without evidence and ran with it.
Anyone who did not tow the line did not receive AIDS research funding, nor was invited to events, reporters who failed to tow the HIV=AIDS line were
uninvited. In the end it was fraud. AIDS is not a uniquely isolated illness with consistent diagnosis and is not proven to be caused by HIV. There is
no actual test for AIDS.
The point is the Fauci's strategy then is the same strategy today. Make a claim of isolating a virus causing illness and attempt to use that unfounded
claim to gain control of large amount of research funding, sell patented medicines, pursue vaccines, and control testing. Anyone who questions the
science is unfunded and uninvited to discourse.
It's clear that those tied to the Government teat then and now must tow the line. They can't or are unwilling to ask questions or be skeptical.
Yes, AIDS exists as a diagnosis of wasting disease generally associated to deterioration. It was largely associated to homosexual highly promiscuous
men who used large amounts of drugs, while being malnourished and extremely stressed physically. Their bodies deteriorated. In other regions it is a
diagnosis from malnutrition, and failing immune system. It is not an infectious disease. Everyone can show presence of HIV at times, correlation is
not causation. Yes, if your health is extremely deteriorated you may show increase of detectable HIV, but there is no defined amount nor consistent
relationship demonstrated by researchers, even with the same labs, there is no proof of HIV as cause of AIDS, conversely there is no proof AIDS is
directly associated to HIV.
In the case of COVID19, there is a similar pattern of using presence of symptoms of flu like illness and a general diagnosis, sometimes using RT PCR
testing, to note presence of RNA, and TADA positive diagnosis for COVID19. Yes, there exists influenza and colds which is likely result of exposure to
toxic environment and being run down, tired, etc, resulting in high cellular toxicity, expression of cellular toxins (garbage).
AIDS and COVID19 are emotional issues that are promoted as a a mortal risk (while neither is demonstrable as a contagious infectious disease) that
have been promoted with largely conflicting diagnosis, faulty testing, lack of skepticism, broadly confusing messages, and vastly different diagnosis
and outcome per region?
The average person can't pay attention long enough to discern fact from fiction, and often falls back on the belief that we should trust bio-harm
"experts", regardless if they have faulty track record and make broadly conflicting statements, promote highly risky medicines and vaccines and whose
theories often fall flat under broad review.
There does not exist a pandemic of infectious disease resulting in increase of mortality warranting quarantine, mobility restrictions, face masks,
chemical hand and foot wash, distancing, all of which ARE EXTREMELY HARMFUL TO PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND FINANCIAL HEALTH.
Reduction of all risk is not a health policy nor plan for survival.
Let's return to our focus here on Baja Nomad, we engage in the wild frontier of Baja California and Baja California Sur which is replete with
adventure, remote mountains and valleys leading to both wide open beaches and wild destinations filled with fiestas and family.
We are not risk adverse! We engage risk for its reward. Some won't make it! The journey is the reward.
Our historical pioneers of this region engaged risk to conquer a largely uninhabitable region, today, we have Nomads here who have built remote
self-sustaining paradises with solar, wind, water filtration and even swimming pools in a desert, none of those Nomads are risk adverse.
Questions about HIV AIDS research, numbers, medical fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQFxratWh7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfOSKP5zPXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnYciuXeB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOMov4Wot60
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/28/hiv-does-not-c...
https://www.verywellhealth.com/hiv-does-not-cause-aids-in-th...
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | The CV promoted restrictions and advice to wear face masks, isolate, use chemical hand wash, and distance are supposedly to reduce risk to avoid
death, though at best, those measures can only delay the inevitable contact? While the measures also encourage delaying regular health care visits and
optional procedures to reduce risk, while causing significant harm to physical, mental and financial health?
The theory is you reduce risk by being alone at home alone, while deteriorating slowly by reducing risk, instead of living normally, instead of living
a high quality life which includes risk?
Life always has had risk, living life is about risk, since when did living risk free become a rational goal? Since when is risk free a successful
model for survival?
All the while Bill Gates promotes abortion services and population reduction including in his own words, "vaccines to reduce populations", Gates and
Fauci promote mass vaccinations of all people on the globe? Interesting these goals are intertwined to vaccinate all people and reduce populations?
Today, in the USA, near term abortions are approved up to the day of birth in some states? These policies largely harm lower income minority
populations more so than wealthy Caucasians, and these policies have been broadly supported by Gates foundation and Bill Gates sr specifically along
with Planned Parenthood. So here we have these supposed risk adverse promoters promoting aborting babies up to the day of birth?
Many of their promoted vaccines have inadequate testing, yet are promoted and distributed resulting in large scale injury and deaths, as an acceptable
outcome. A recent lawsuit against the USA Gov demanded proof of efficacy of vaccines as required by law, none had been provided in over 40 years?
All the while there is no pandemic, no increase in overall macro deaths, nothing overall different from any other year? We have always had colds and
flu that mutate resulting in millions of deaths a year, yet we never manipulated that into justification for restriction on mobility etc.
The RT PCR CV test can not test to isolate a unique viral infection, and by admission produces gross false positives at %80? No unique CV virus has
been isolated. CV mutations have been known to exist in our population for more than 40 years, even the common cold is a corona virus and can create
a positive result from RT PCR test?
Total global common influenza infections are now practically zero, suggesting they simply swapped out one flu like infection for another?
WHO's official policy is that pandemic has no relation to cases/deaths?
Never before have healthy people been quarantined? Yet now every person is suspected of being asymptomatic carriers requiring restriction?
All small business as many global businesses are under restrictions causing loss of income, while global big box stores like Walmart, Target, Amazon
are growing, effectivling replacing small business competition?
When will people see that tyranny is in place, religion, schools, freedom to gather, even free speech is restricted by tyrannical controls, all based
on fallacious logic and lack of justification, yet, we have masses who adamantly promote these restrictions? Those who are rabid about promoting
restrictions, and measures to control behavior are most often government workers, academics, politicians who are still employed at full wages while
the average workers are largely suffering reduced employment?
Here are the "Haves" rabidly attacking the "Have Nots" for asking basic questions about the cost of restrictions and lockdown versus the justification
of benefit?
Our society is divided into the "rabid tyrannical proponents" for isolation of "healthy people" versus us "normies" who insist lockdown restrictions
are more harmful to health while only delaying an inevitable contact with biodiversity viruses, while we have always had viruses and have always
managed to emerge stronger with shared herd immunity.
More so, those who seem most adamant about restrictions are those who have the worst health, their claim of risk from existing health conditions are
most often DUE TO LIFESTYLE CHOICES, smoking, obesity, alcohol, diet, and exercise, yet, these rabid lockdown restriction promoters won't or can't
make changes on their lives to improve their health? The high risk seniors, who fear their imminent unavoidable death, demand that healthy people,
kids, teenagers, all other people must be restricted to provide some absurd rational that they might live longer, albeit alone, inside, risk adverse.
The lack of ability to see the costs of restrictions all for manipulation and mental gyrations to justify a tyrannical socialist control is the
weakness that is causing the most harm, early deaths of certain lower income, high risks groups, all to support the selfish myopic view that
restricting all ofsiciety might buy an unhealthy senior who made poor lifestyle choices an extra week in the hospital delaying their inevitable death.
So here we are, divided, rabid, risk adverse, high risk, seniors, on pension, demanding all healthy people suffer great consequences, for their short
term delay of the inevitable mortality.
Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your
selfish and absurd demands for tyranny against healthy people. Today, you are the outspoken enemy of freedom and all things that made the USA a place
for risk, and innovation and successful place for small businesses to be able to grow, while you have become militants for tyrannical socialist
control.
Read Goat, Bill, John's post, they consistently attack yet fail to question, defer to evidence, logic, and fail to show respect to others, they
provide no evidence to support their demand for socialist tyranny and instead want to lock children and healthy people inside to justify some idea
that it will reduce their health risk, all the while they can't make their own necessary changes in their life for their personal health?
Here's some advice to those railing for rabid restrictions, "SKIP A MEAL" "EXERCISE" "VEGETABLES" "REST" "RELAX" FRESH AIR" and mind your personal
health as your focus and let healthy people get back to living their lives.
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i found a misspelled word in there.....
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JZ believes nomads on this forum are shameful. Paul insists on wanting to discuss late term abortion.
Can we speak to the moral implications these two have brought up?
Got my popcorn.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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What are the best tires for a pick-up truck for Baja that are morally acceptable to the Jizz and.....will they go flat (abort) prematurely?
And synthetic or dino oil?
And where are the best tacos in BoLA and Mulege?
Don't believe everything you think....
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Nitto ridge grapplers.
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Whew....thought this thread would never die.....
Don't believe everything you think....
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