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Don Pisto
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its all a "gateway" to Mars!
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Goat,
Your quote about the freedom of man might depend on us having the StarLink technology to defend it and us! So yes root for and support!
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The militaries already have lots of sat communications. They don’t need more.
You are a sucker if you are gonna pay inflated internet rates because it is patriotic 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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RFClark
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Goat,
Thanks for the view from under your bed! That said having the best team of rocket and satellite people on our side is probably a good thing!
FYI my VIASAT bill ran about $85/mo without telephone service!
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SFandH
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Starlink Reality
Moffett notes that the new Starlink V1.5 satellites are heavier, leading to fewer satellites per launch. “At a payload of 50 satellites per launch
for Falcon 9 rockets – down from 60 per launch for V1.0 satellites – SpaceX would need to drastically increase launch frequency to once every
seven days for five consecutive years just to launch the satellites required for their planned constellation of ~12,000 by their FCC deadline in
2027.”
In low-Earth orbit, satellites will drift back to Earth and burn up on re-entry. Assuming the satellites have an average lifespan of five years, the
number of launches to simply replace expiring satellites will, by year five, be as large as the number of launches required over the next five years
to grow the constellation. By the end of 2030, just nine years from now, they would have had to launch nearly 23,000 satellites in support of a 12,000
bird constellation. Assuming a Falcon 9 payload of 50 satellites, that would imply 48 launches each year – roughly one every seven days – just to
sustain a constellation of 12,000 satellites even after the constellation is “finished.”
https://techblog.comsoc.org/2022/01/18/starlinks-huge-ambiti...
As far as using Starlink for military purposes, don't forget the Starlink base stations connect to the Internet. If you take out the Internet, either
physically or electronically, all those satellites only have themselves to talk to.
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RFClark
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You guys are missing the forest because of the trees! Anyone remember why we won WW2 in Europe? In ‘41 the Germans had the best equipment and they
still had the best equipment up almost to the end! Best like jet fighters and ballistic missiles! They still lost!
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | As far as using Starlink for military purposes, don't forget the Starlink base stations connect to the Internet. If you take out the Internet, either
physically or electronically, all those satellites only have themselves to talk to. |
Internet routing protocols are designed to be redundant and dynamic.
If Starlink indeed succeeds in hooking the birds together via laser links, the sat network could conceiveably connect subscribers around the world,
directly with each other even if the earthbound Internet were totally trashed, following standard routing protocols.
That would depend on how much routing logic they have onboard. 
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Do you mean every web server, DNS server, database server, SMTP server, router, and all the other Internet gizmos have their own satellite dishes, or
are they in LEO too? And, 100 KT detonated 300 miles up would punch a BIG EMP hole in the constellation and not kill a single soul.
P.T. Barnum and Rube Goldberg would be big fans of Elon.
I'm skeptical.
[Edited on 5-12-2022 by SFandH]
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RFClark
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Setting off a nuke in LEO would be an act of war. That wasn’t necessary for the current geo sync internet sats Russia downed most of VIASATs stuff
with a software attack on 2/24. It also dodges the question of why the Germans lost WW2 when they had better stuff! Ask yourself why the PLA has their
collective shorts in a knot over StarLink! Use Hughes or VIASAT if $15-$20 makes that much difference, just don't buy any of their stock.
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RFClark
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lencho,
Too much trash, as opposed to the Russians and Chinese who shoot skeet in LEO!
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gnukid
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LEO = Low earth orbit?
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RFClark
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Yes, LEO = Low Earth Orbit
lencho,
Both the Russians and Chinese have done LEO anti-satellite weapons tests recently that created lots of space junk! Skeet are round clay targets that
you shoot out of the air. If you hit one it explodes into lots of pieces.
The International Space Station had to maneuver to avoid pieces from the last Russian test. Yes, the Chinese said they had a close approach from a
StarLink satellite but they didn’t define close and StarLink publishes the orbits of their satellites, unlike the junk from weapon tests!
[Edited on 5-13-2022 by RFClark]
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eastmeetswest
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but...wondering how far south people have been getting the Starlink service. We signed up for the beta quite some time
ago. I recently saw a map of the existing service worldwide and it looks like the very southern part of Baja is still pending. I am curious what is
the most southern service they are providing?
We anxiously wait to get improved communication. We are off grid with only wifi for communication. By the time it goes through multiple repeater
towers down the East Cape Road and then transmits down the hill to us, it is very slow. If it doesn't blank out completely.
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SFandH
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I read a post on Talk Baja from a person living in Mulege that uses Starlink with good results.
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RFClark
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We currently have our portable StarLink unit operating south of Cerritos Beach. The StarLink map says waiting list south of La Paz, speed is good the
delay is a little higher around 100 ms. WiFi calling works fine!
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RFClark
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Vista Al Mar South of Loreto! Real Time via StarLink on top of the car.
[Edited on 5-16-2022 by RFClark]
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El Jefe
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| Quote: Originally posted by eastmeetswest | Sorry to hijack the thread, but...wondering how far south people have been getting the Starlink service. We signed up for the beta quite some time
ago. I recently saw a map of the existing service worldwide and it looks like the very southern part of Baja is still pending. I am curious what is
the most southern service they are providing?
We anxiously wait to get improved communication. We are off grid with only wifi for communication. By the time it goes through multiple repeater
towers down the East Cape Road and then transmits down the hill to us, it is very slow. If it doesn't blank out completely.
I have a friend who got Starlink a few months ago in Zacatitos. He says it works great. I paid my 99 dollars almost a year ago and am still waiting at
our place near La Fortuna. Our current service through Alexanet is pretty good, but I'd like to have Starlink for bomb proof emergency service during
storm season.
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No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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