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I spent several seasons picking fruit in the interior of British Columbia. I enjoyed it for the most part, but I can verify that it is hard work.
Apples, and especially pears are really heavy and it's exhausting. You are up on a ladder picking into a large canvas bag that is strapped to you,
when the bag is full, you have to climb down the ladder with the heavy bag, then empty it into a large wooden bin that sits in the middle of the row,
gently so as not to bruise the fruit. You also have to be careful not to pick off the "spur" on the branch right next to the fruit stem, as next
year's fruit grows from those spurs. Orchardists walk through and look for spurs on the ground under the trees and reprimand the pickers who were
working those trees.
Whenever people b***h about "illegals taking all our jobs", I ask which job an illegal immigrant beat them out of- the one scrubbing out rich people's
toilets, or the one crawling through a dusty tomato field all day in the blazing sun?
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  | | As we all know, opioids were widely prescribed for 15+ years in doses that caused millions to become addicted through no fault of their own.
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Oh, those addicts are not faultless.
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Read the book Empire of Pain and you should hopefully rethink that statement.
When are we as a society going stop wasting resources and get over our quasi religious judgemental stance against people who are struggling. Drugs are
not a law enforcement issue, they are a public health issue . The “war on drugs “ was lost before it started, stop playing whack a mole and just
making them more lucrative. It would be far cheaper and more humane to support people and not create the next generation. The U.S. almost no maternity
leave for new parents and you wonder why you get the outcomes you get .
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
Immigrants? Don't even get me started. Who do you think does all the work white privileged Americans refuse to do? |
At the moment I'm in the agricultural belt of Washington (think "apples" and "wine"), and there's not a white face to be seen out in the orchards and
vineyards. Well, maybe the foreman, but you can be sure she's bilingual.
I've considered picking apples for a season to get a handle on that vocabulary set and hang out with the paisas, but at my age it'd probably
cripple me: those folks bust their butts and as you say, it's the white privileged Americans reaping the benefits.
I never ask what someone's immigration status is-- none of my business-- but for what it's worth, credible figures I've seen state that some
50% of agricultural workers in the country are currently undocumented.
There's no question that overall, the U.S. benefits from this influx of fresh eager energy; the question is how to manage it in a humanitarian manner
without negatively impacting those of us who got here first (i.e. us privileged white "natives" [as if we were here first]).
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by lencho] |
Somehow we always seem to assume illegal immigration and legal immigrants that are offered a solid future for themselves and their families are the
same thing. Our countries rose to the high standard of living we presently enjoy through massive legal immigration of people who appreciated the
advantages of moving here. They tend to work harder, live more frugally and contribute far more to society than the average entitled citizen. No one i
know is opposed to that. But why would we discourage legal immigration and at the same time encourage illegal immigration is beyond me. Who benefits
except the employers who can pay them far less than the legal required standards through the fear of deportation and those that get paid to smuggle
them in?
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
Immigrants? Don't even get me started. Who do you think does all the work white privileged Americans refuse to do? Has anyone noticed the labor
shortage? |
Maybe if we didn't give Gen Z an "extra" $10K in stimulus checks to stay home after Covid was over.
This brilliant choice caused worker shortages and helped fuel inflation.
So, the next brilliant idea to solve that one is to let 15 million people waltz across the Southern border over 4 years?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
Immigrants? Don't even get me started. Who do you think does all the work white privileged Americans refuse to do? Has anyone noticed the labor
shortage? |
Maybe if we didn't give Gen Z an "extra" $10K in stimulus checks to stay home after Covid was over.
This brilliant choice caused worker shortages and helped fuel inflation.
So, the next brilliant idea to solve that one is to let 15 million people waltz across the Southern border over 4 years?
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Shorty mcjizm:
You sure do complain a lot!
Why did you cash your covid stimulus checks? You feel so strongly about this I assume you refused all the money, right?
Or are you a hypocrite? Hate stimulus, but gleefully collecting stimulus, eh?
Woke!
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Shorty mcjizm:
You sure do complain a lot!
Why did you cash your covid stimulus checks? You feel so strongly about this I assume you refused all the money, right?
Or are you a hypocrite? Hate stimulus, but gleefully collecting stimulus, eh? |
Those checks, which went to employees, were to "keep them working."
Not sit at home doing nothing. A whole generation of youth have been taught to be lazy and expect handouts from the government.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by JZ]
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There were some very thoughtful and elegant posts in this thread yesterday morning. Posts that appeared well reasoned and judged by history and love
would make a Nomad proud!
Your fears are a map to your freedom!
Have a good day!
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Those checks, which went to employees, were to "keep them working."
Not sit at home doing nothing. A whole generation of youth have been taught to be lazy and expect handouts from the government.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by JZ] |
Which youth are sitting at home doing nothing? Name one, since you seem to have personal knowledge of this.
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We didn't get one stimulus check, but we did get the CA $400 gas rebate a couple months back. That one surprised me. My kids got the stimulus
checks. One really needed them, the other two donated the $$ to charity since they were still employed during that time.
I know, white people problems....
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Those checks, which went to employees, were to "keep them working."
Not sit at home doing nothing. A whole generation of youth have been taught to be lazy and expect handouts from the government.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by JZ] |
Which youth are sitting at home doing nothing? Name one, since you seem to have personal knowledge of this. |
Try talking to ppl running small businesses some time..
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All of these ethnicities have higher household incomes than white ppl.
Indian
Bangladeshi
Cambodian
Chinese
Taiwanese
Filipino
Hmong
Indonesian
Japanese
Korean
Laotian
Pakistani
Iranian
Thai
Vietnamese
Nigerian
Samoan
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Those checks, which went to employees, were to "keep them working."
Not sit at home doing nothing. A whole generation of youth have been taught to be lazy and expect handouts from the government.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by JZ] |
Which youth are sitting at home doing nothing? Name one, since you seem to have personal knowledge of this. |
Try talking to ppl running small businesses some time..
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In other words, you don't actually know any young people who are sitting at home doing nothing while collecting stimulus checks. But think its fine to
claim they are. Just like the other claims you present as fact with zero actual proof.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
In other words, you don't actually know any young people who are sitting at home doing nothing while collecting stimulus checks. But think its fine to
claim they are. Just like the other claims you present as fact with zero actual proof. |
I know plenty of them. My kids are their age. All our friends have kids in their early 20's. I've been around dozens of Gen Z the last couple
years. And have sat with many business owners and discussed their businesses with them. My wife does a lot of hiring for her business.
Article this week.
Home Depot co-founder says ‘socialism’ killed motivation to work: ‘Nobody gives a damn’
https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/home-depot-co-founder-says-soc...
So, we open the US border to find ppl to work after we paid ppl to not work? Makes perfect sense.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
In other words, you don't actually know any young people who are sitting at home doing nothing while collecting stimulus checks. But think its fine to
claim they are. Just like the other claims you present as fact with zero actual proof. |
I know plenty of them. My kids are their age. All our friends have kids in their early 20's. I've been around dozens of Gen Z the last couple
years. And have sat with many business owners and discussed their businesses with them. My wife does a lot of hiring for her business.
Article this week.
Home Depot co-founder says ‘socialism’ killed motivation to work: ‘Nobody gives a damn’
https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/home-depot-co-founder-says-soc...
So, we open the US border to find ppl to work after we paid ppl to not work? Makes perfect sense.
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Shorty,
Lots of kids out there busting their balls in the work place. Sorry to hear your kids turned out to be stimulus-sucking couch potatoes.
The home depot dude is a senile right wing nut. I see that HD disavowed any association with his silly utterances.
[Edited on 12-30-2022 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
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surabi
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And I also know plenty of Gen Zers. They are all working or going to school. Kids not having the motivation to work has zero to do with socialism
(another right wing bogeyman buzzword that most of you have no idea the meaning of)- they were never taught to be responsible, and had no expectations
of pulling their weight. Blame their parents, not politics or stimulus checks.
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