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I am not sure this is the correct conclusion to draw at this point.
FL and CA are very different demographically.
Most of the deaths in CA were in LA County. By itself, LA county has more residents than about 40 or so states. The African American and Latino
demographics were the hardest hit.
Compare LA to SF, and I think you will have a very different situation.
Now, FL has a different set of circumstances with, for example, an older demographic. DeathSantis, as some call him, was looking awfully bad at the
end of the summer where FL led the deaths per capita by about 2:1 over CA and FL was the corona epicenter of the world.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison.
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Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider  | I am not sure this is the correct conclusion to draw at this point.
FL and CA are very different demographically.
Most of the deaths in CA were in LA County. By itself, LA county has more residents than about 40 or so states. The African American and Latino
demographics were the hardest hit.
Compare LA to SF, and I think you will have a very different situation.
Now, FL has a different set of circumstances with, for example, an older demographic. DeathSantis, as some call him, was looking awfully bad at the
end of the summer where FL led the deaths per capita by about 2:1 over CA and FL was the corona epicenter of the world.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison. |
You can't honestly tell me that DeSantis hasn't managed this crisis light years better than Cuomo and Newsome..
That is just being disingenuous.
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What you can say is DeSantis is popular, Cuomo is being impeached and Newsom is being recalled with 2.1 million signatures at 80+% verified.
That’s apples and apples!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider |
Now, FL has a different set of circumstances with, for example, an older demographic. DeathSantis, as some call him, was looking awfully bad at the
end of the summer where FL led the deaths per capita by about 2:1 over CA and FL was the corona epicenter of the world.
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You can't honestly tell me that DeSantis hasn't managed this crisis light years better than Cuomo and Newsome..
That is just being disingenuous.
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The only thing DeSantis has managed well is supressing and fudging the real stats on the infection rate in his state.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
The only thing DeSantis has managed well is supressing and fudging the real stats on the infection rate in his state. |
Great tactic. A guy you don't like, does a great job, using an approach you don't agree with, and you start spewing lies about him?
[Edited on 3-22-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
The only thing DeSantis has managed well is supressing and fudging the real stats on the infection rate in his state. |
Great tactic. A guy you don't like, does a great job, using an approach you don't agree with, and you start spewing lies about him?
[Edited on 3-22-2021 by JZ] |
Calling them lies doesn't make them so. Plenty of information available on his suppression of the infection numbers. Not something I made up because
of my own feelings.
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Top 10 US states with the highest COVID infection rates per 1 million population:
North Dakota 133,389
South Dakota 130,974
Rhode Island 125,584
Utah 119,037
Iowa 118,458
Tennessee 116,943
Arizona 114,890
Oklahoma 109,804
Arkansas 108,905
Nebraska 106,693
Notice a pattern there? All states with the exception of Rhode Island, whose high numbers were mainly from the beginning of the pandemic when NY and
surrounding states were hit hard, have Republican governors who refused to institute lockdowns, or mandate masks. All states with the exception if
R.I. and Arizona voted red in the 2020 election.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | Top 10 US states with the highest COVID infection rates per 1 million population:
North Dakota 133,389
South Dakota 130,974
Rhode Island 125,584
Utah 119,037
Iowa 118,458
Tennessee 116,943
Arizona 114,890
Oklahoma 109,804
Arkansas 108,905
Nebraska 106,693
Notice a pattern there? All states with the exception of Rhode Island, whose high numbers were mainly from the beginning of the pandemic when NY and
surrounding states were hit hard, have Republican governors who refused to institute lockdowns, or mandate masks. All states with the exception if
R.I. and Arizona voted red in the 2020 election.
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Who cares about cases. 99%+ plus recover just fine.
Deaths are what matters. Six of the top seven in deaths per million voted blue.
The bottom line is these unnecessary lock down crushed ppl economically and mentally. Plus all the children who have suffered greatly for no reason
when all along the science said it was safe for them to be in school. You don't seem to give a damn about any of that, and won't even acknowledge it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | Top 10 US states with the highest COVID infection rates per 1 million population:
North Dakota 133,389
South Dakota 130,974
Rhode Island 125,584
Utah 119,037
Iowa 118,458
Tennessee 116,943
Arizona 114,890
Oklahoma 109,804
Arkansas 108,905
Nebraska 106,693
Notice a pattern there? All states with the exception of Rhode Island, whose high numbers were mainly from the beginning of the pandemic when NY and
surrounding states were hit hard, have Republican governors who refused to institute lockdowns, or mandate masks. All states with the exception if
R.I. and Arizona voted red in the 2020 election.
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Who cares about cases. 99%+ plus recover just fine.
Deaths are what matters. Six of the top seven in deaths per million voted blue.
The bottom line is these unnecessary lock down crushed ppl economically and mentally. Plus all the children who have suffered greatly for no reason
when all along the science said it was safe for them to be in school. You don't seem to give a damn about any of that, and won't even acknowledge it.
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As I’m sure most people understand, infections and deaths are much more likely in highly populated areas (and almost all such areas vote
predominately blue). Again, the population of LA County alone dwarfs some 40 states. That makes the death data from the sparsely populated red states
all the more problematic.
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The only state demonstrated to have cooked the number of COVID deaths is NY! The Governor of NY will probably be impeached over that fact!
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Over half a million deaths and climbing is no joke....masks work, distancing works, vaccines work.....these are facts not opinions...
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | Over half a million deaths and climbing is no joke....masks work, distancing works, vaccines work.....these are facts not opinions...
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part of being a good conservative is to deny the science. like IQ45 sez..."i love the poorly educated"
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | Over half a million deaths and climbing is no joke....masks work, distancing works, vaccines work.....these are facts not opinions...
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part of being a good conservative is to deny the science. like IQ45 sez..."i love the poorly educated" |
If the masks and lockdowns worked, New York and California would be success stories. Instead, look at Florida. That is a success story. Meanwhile,
vaccinated people are still expected to wear a mask and sit at home.
No thank you. If you are vulnerable, stay home.
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I suppose many here are not familiar with whats happening in Florida right now?
and JZ - very interesting statistic on 6 of the top 7 in deaths per million voted blue - any particular reason you "stopped" counting at 7? you're
not cherry picking data are you? and since you have access to those data, could you tell us how floridas current death rate matches up to
California, and texas? - please?
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Pacficobob,
So are you saying Cuomo is really a Conservative and I’m not?
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The COVID death rate is 3%, not 1%. And one out of 3 infection cases don't 'recover just fine'- they have long -lasting ill effects, some possibly
permanent.
Many people do care about that.
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | since you have access to those data, could you tell us how floridas current death rate matches up to California, and texas? - please?
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Cases
FL 29
CA 31
Deaths (FL has the oldest population in the US)
FL 27
CA 31
Florida open. Florida kids in school and not being permanently impacted for life. Florida unemployment half of CA. Florida with less mental and
economic trauma to hundreds of thousands of ppl.
As the WHO has told us and Florida demonstrates it, lock downs don't work past the point of getting your medical professionals geared up. Follow the
science.
[Edited on 3-22-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | since you have access to those data, could you tell us how floridas current death rate matches up to California, and texas? - please?
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Cases
FL 29
CA 31
Deaths (FL has the oldest population in the US)
FL 27
CA 31
Florida open. Florida kids in school and not being permanently impacted for life. Florida unemployment half of CA. Florida with less mental and
economic trauma to hundreds of thousands of ppl.
As the WHO has told us and Florida demonstrates, lock downs don't work past the point of getting your medical professionals geared up. Follow the
science.
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JZ, you know Caj13 can not acknowledge this reality. He will probably respond with something about climate change or racism. 
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Are you really serious about this 3%?
I don't see the latest number, but Fauci had it as low as .6% as far back as September ("Fauci and other public health experts have since put the
COVID-19 death rate at about 0.6% -- six times that of a typical flu season -- which is the latest CDC projection.").
I'm sure that has been lowered from there. And for ppl under 60 and without underlying health issues it is a lot less than that. That is why you
don't lock down an entire country. You protect the ones at risk.
Life is all about balance. You can't have zero risk in life.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Are you really serious about this 3%?
I don't see the latest number, but Fauci had it as low as .6% as far back as September ("Fauci and other public health experts have since put the
COVID-19 death rate at about 0.6% -- six times that of a typical flu season -- which is the latest CDC projection.").
I'm sure that has been lowered from there. And for ppl under 60 and without underlying health issues it is a lot less than that. That is why you
don't lock down an entire country. You protect the ones at risk.
Life is all about balance. You can't have zero risk in life.
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Will surabi acknowledge this fact? Doubtful
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