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[*] posted on 11-15-2021 at 02:18 AM
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I was just about to close down for the night - then this line caught my eye
a new trail
no idea yet what it is good for
but it looks well used

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[*] posted on 11-15-2021 at 07:14 AM


Game trail?
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[*] posted on 11-15-2021 at 08:25 AM


looks like it is not connected to anything anywhere
it can be traced for a while on top of a mesa
does not pick up after that
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[*] posted on 11-15-2021 at 09:23 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
Game trail?


Maybe "game trails" maintained by livestock? I see a whole lot more cattle and goats than deer or wild burros!




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[*] posted on 11-15-2021 at 11:40 AM


cattle is definitely a driving force

I love the areas of Baja where you don't have goat or cow.
Plants look different
ground looks different
NoWimp trail is ne of those areas
not enough water to ranch




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[*] posted on 11-16-2021 at 08:39 AM


Where is it? Do you compare with the Baja Topo Atlas? The very far left side of the photo shows some corral looking or cleared areas surrounded by something. Might be a ranch with roads going to it.
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[*] posted on 11-16-2021 at 08:50 AM


no Corral or Rancho nearby

but I have been studying it over the weekend and it looks like it is part of a trail network tying into Cuesta Paraiso
there is even a benchmark close by, indicating strong human interest

Topo Atlas and INEGI map sheets do not offer any help (except the benchmark notice)




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[*] posted on 11-16-2021 at 09:01 AM


the newly found Cuesta here:

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[*] posted on 11-16-2021 at 11:48 AM


It looks like it connects a well-worn area with vegetation down by the riverbed to a well-worn area at the top of the mesa, but I don't see any trails entering the area from elsewhere. There are also many other fainter switchback trails elsewhere on the mesa slope.

Here is a big image taken from Bing maps satellite. Click the following web-sized image to see big image:






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[*] posted on 11-16-2021 at 12:46 PM


this are the trails I have recorded in the area:

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there is a lot of activity there
a Boleo cattle station is not far from there




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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 02:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
What does the "BN" abbreviation stand for (in Spanish, I assume)?


I believe they are survey markers. The INEGI site mentions "estación geodésica: Vertical(BN) (EGV)" -- where I guess "N" stands for Norte (as in direction, not Baja California "norte" - as they still say BN in BC Sur). Not sure abut the "B" part.

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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 02:57 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
this are the trails I have recorded in the area [...] there is a lot of activity there a Boleo cattle station is not far from there


Wow, you are really teasing out some faint details there! I can barely make these out on my image.




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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 03:33 PM


I guessed BN was a benchmark...?



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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 04:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
What does the "BN" abbreviation stand for (in Spanish, I assume)?


I believe they are survey markers. The INEGI site mentions "estación geodésica: Vertical(BN) (EGV)" -- where I guess "N" stands for Norte (as in direction, not Baja California "norte" - as they still say BN in BC Sur). Not sure abut the "B" part.



They are BN in all of Mexico
equivalent to the BM (bench mark) in the US

here is a list of all BN in Mexico
with detail sketches of the location:
https://www.inegi.org.mx/app/geo2/rgnp/




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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 04:37 PM


here is the detail for the one in my image
BN582 (200616 on the list)

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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 04:41 PM


Cool... so I guessed right! Thanks Harald, interesting!



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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 05:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
The INEGI site mentions "estación geodésica: Vertical(BN) (EGV)" -- where I guess "N" stands for Norte (as in direction, not Baja California "norte" - as they still say BN in BC Sur). Not sure abut the "B" part.
We can guess till the cows come home, but it's mostly noise. :lol:

After some inquiry, I've learned that "Banco de Nivel" is the Spanish term for a benchmark. Thus the abbreviation "BN".

Edit: BTW, while we're here, the (EGV) is Estación Geodésica Vertical. :saint:

[Edited on 11-18-2021 by lencho]


Is BN just for vertical benchmarks? I only see BN with EGV, not EGH.




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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 05:27 PM


Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
this are the trails I have recorded in the area [...] there is a lot of activity there a Boleo cattle station is not far from there


Wow, you are really teasing out some faint details there! I can barely make these out on my image.


I have learned a lot about animal movement (including us) over the last years dissecting sat images
super interesting stuff!

how does that relate to Camino Real?
well, when the human animal stops using a trail, nature smoothes things out
trail almost disappear
almost, because the other animals will still use trails and roads we once created
so I trace animal trails because they sometimes help me find lost sections of Camino Real

many times I have kept myself from getting lost when exploring by looking for cow traffic
they go exactly where an old road used to be
a little trail cleaning and you keep going

good example in this trip:
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/La-Fortuna/

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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 05:40 PM


Yes! I found the Camino Real where it climbs out of Arroyo Santa María, from the converging cattle prints!

In Nov. 2002:

Here it is!!! N29°41.733' W114°28.175' (NAD27)





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[*] posted on 11-17-2021 at 06:38 PM


thank you for making my point



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