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DavidK: That's the argument China puts forward. If we demand more and more manufacturing from China and they increasingly produce the goods, should
they be blamed for the increasing greenhouse gases it produces, or should the end users of the demand take responsibility.
We are doing great reducing pollution at the utilities and industry side, but the majority of those savings are negated at the demand end, especially
in the use of hydrocarbon fuels. Europe chooses to limit the demand end and are doing far better than North America in reductions.
Solar panels have moved to the very least greenhouse gas producing supply side of energy (cradle to grave), and the move to electric vehicles would
make the largest difference at this point. Europe and China are way ahead of us there.
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JDCanuck
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Three available RZR alternatives for lowered emissions and less noise:
https://www.utvsportsmag.com/products/new-models-2022-polari...
https://ranger.polaris.com/en-ca/ranger-ev/
https://www.hisunmotors.com/products/vehicle/29/electric/sec...
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JZ
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If it doesn't make a lot of noise what fun is it?
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JDCanuck
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Well, the fun is in knowing you left it as pristine as possible for others to enjoy as it was when you first saw it, JZ.
I want my grandkids and their kids to be able to enjoy the same beauty I see when I come across a uniquely beautiful environment. I'm pretty sure you
do too.
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Its illegal
to steal cars kill rob houses. yet no enforcement so no worry to drive on beach . Drive safe and easy enjoy
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | Here is a pretty discouraging list of countries by greenhouse emissions per capita by country, Canada and US are among the worst offenders, only
exceeded by the major mid east petroleum producers. Our love affair with powerful internal combustion engines to get around may be a major
contributor, despite all the regulations passed over the decades:
https://epi.yale.edu/epi-results/2020/component/ghp
From what I've read, the average RZR gets around 10-14 mpg at about 10-15% overall fuel efficiency. Might be another good reason to start limiting
their use, especially for just recreational driving. I dont know about Rzrs but my YXZ1000r gets 20mpg. We use it for
to get places quickly. All good no worries enjoy your life .
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David K
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Larry, try again!
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On my Cl phone David very difficult to do anything . Except riding on beach .
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| Quote: Originally posted by BigOly | Look in to your heart. It's not that anyone is trying to take your Adrenaline rush away from you. No one is trying to take away your moment to look
at the sky and sea from your vehicle while driving on the beach with the wind blowing in your hair . There are lots of beach launching access areas
for boat and recreational fun...The volume of people competing for grains of sand is competitive and past the benefit of people only.
The endangered Snowy Plover is just one example of a living species that needs a specific beach habitat to simply exist. There are many more, think
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BigOly: I don't remember seeing that bird down there. Is it common in Baja(Pacific Coast side), and is it also endangered by ATVs? We will definitely
have to pay more attention when we are next down there. I did get to see my first Rattlers and Scorpions, neither of which i was especially glad to
run across. Whale pods were also a special treat and quite common.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
BigOly: I don't remember seeing that bird down there. Is it common in Baja(Pacific Coast side), and is it also endangered by ATVs?
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Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future
generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird.
[Edited on 2-6-2022 by JZ]
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BigOly
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The snowy plover is a small wader in the plover bird family, typically about 5-7" in length. It breeds in the southern and western United States, the
Caribbean, Ecuador, Peru, and Chile. Long considered to be a subspecies of the Kentish plover, it is now known to be a distinct species. Wikipedia
Conservation status: Near Threatened (Population decreasing)
This bird and others like the Belding's Yellowthroat used to be common in Baja Sur. I'm glad I have photos that I took of them to show my
grandchildren.
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John Harper
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They have a small preserve for them here in Carlsbad in the Batiquitos Lagoon. They're cool little birds.
John
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"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future
generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird."
waay waay -- too bad -- so sad. can't ride around in circles to nowhere. pitiful
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BigOly
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Used to be on this Baja forum... Peace, love and fish tacos. Where are we now? Varoom, varoom pis.. on the dying nature? Taking away the sandy
beaches to party on with vehicles? Can't we share a little natural habitat for birds and others without some selfish rush?
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Wow that’s about the stupidest reply , you’ve almost made jz’s replies sound intelligent .
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Electric would be a great alternative for what most people use sxs for in Baja.
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"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future
generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird." Absolutely incorrect!
Restrictions at Pismo Beach have enabled Snowy Plovers to coexist with motor vehicles, somewhat. Future closures of parts of the Nipomo Dunes are a
consequence of well documented air pollution from blowing sand into local communities making breathing dangerous for vulnerable people. Natural
barriers that had existed for years like dune scrub and a crust on the dunes have been destroyed by the increasing use of vehicles. Again, the
degradation of air quality in local communities has been well documented over many years through photographic evidence of destroyed dune plants due to
dune drivers and air sensors locally placed in the dunes. Attempts to mitigate the damage with more plantings, restoration, hay bales, and other
restrictions has been futile.
It is easy to blame a resident bird, but the cause of future dune closure is obvious if one cares to look.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Jack Swords |
"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future
generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird." Absolutely incorrect!
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all good points Jack, its just a matter of time. " Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coastline"
also couldn't be more untrue, northern California has several beaches you're welcome to drive/ride on. if your offroad skill level is such you might
want to head north.
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | Northern California has several beaches you're welcome to drive/ride on. if your offroad skill level is such you might want to head north.
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Can you list some locations?
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John Harper
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https://www.californiabeaches.com/california-beaches-you-can...
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