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[*] posted on 2-8-2023 at 01:03 PM
Pole line 2023


Just a quickie More later
The trip 2/6-7 is over. We found more difficulties than ever before.
Issues were route finding in En Medio, difficulty for washes along the pipe road. Steep drop offs at each entrance or exit to the major Arroyos. All the Pole line Arroyos were boulder fields and a minimal of sand.
The result was a slow trip.
Each driver will all have their own story.
Allan, Harvey, Eric, and Paul from San Felipe and Rudy and Phil from the states.
The Suzuki has moved further down the Arroyo and is becoming more compressed.

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[*] posted on 2-8-2023 at 05:02 PM


Thanks Paul...
Here's the Suzuki Samurai, in 2015... about to be further crushed by Ken Cooke's mighty Rubicon!



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[*] posted on 4-19-2023 at 09:52 PM


That sounds like it was quiet a run! I was recovering from a mild case of Norovirus that I caught at work, so it was good that I stayed home and rested.

When you described "Steep dropoffs" by how many feet? Were the arroyos too much for the Jeeps? Is the trail shut down, effectively due to erosion?
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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 07:16 AM


Heavy flooding down all the washes resulted in drop-offs even on the smallest washes.
Steep drop-offs impact the rigs with small tires requiring dragging over the rocks and sand. Jeeps had no issues, but all the Toyotas had to drag their bottoms. Most drop-offs were 2-3' two were 5+'. Going down was not problem but going up one Tacoma had to be winched to get up. After that issue we found a go-around easier way up for that one for the following rigs.
Bad hill, BB hill, and other climbs were about the same as previous. En Medio crossing was about the same and was slow climbing over the boulders. Nobody got stuck.
One thing I need to investigate is Jaquejel. Jaquegel looks like it is smooth sand as far as we could see from above on the traditional trail. That would sure improve the drive time. I will investigate next fall.
Camping just south of Choabuzo in the En Medio wash was a pleasure. Next to the high bank out of the wind and plenty of firewood available. And further south in En Medio there are similar camping places all the way until you exit the wash. En Medio wash exit was the easier than previous trips.


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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 08:00 AM


No question, the Toyota trucks (any trucks) have a bit of a rear overhang/ poor departure angle!

I had no such issues on PLR 2015, but getting to Mission Santa María with sudden drop-offs, MSM 2010, was another story! :wow: :





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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 09:31 AM


...but who has more fun?!?



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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 02:07 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  

Camping just south of Choabuzo in the En Medio wash was a pleasure. Next to the high bank out of the wind and plenty of firewood available.





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That bonfire looks like knuckledragging offroader’s typical handiwork that results in locked gates. If i looked out on my unfenced land and saw that, i would put up a fence tomorrow.

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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 08:28 PM


I thought fire was good? Keeps people from freezing, cooks meat so it can be eaten, provides light in the dark for reading. In goat's world, we would be cold, hungry, and clueless! Ya, that sounds about right for that kind of restrictive, going backwards thinking! 🙄😂



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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 08:38 PM


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I thought fire was good? …provides light in the dark for reading.


Are you suggesting this group of knuckledraggers was a book club reading/discussing romance novellas? :lol::lol::lol:





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[*] posted on 4-20-2023 at 08:41 PM


Goat is going to twist all comments inside and out
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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 10:55 AM


He ran out of tin cans to eat.
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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 12:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Heavy flooding down all the washes resulted in drop-offs even on the smallest washes.
Steep drop-offs impact the rigs with small tires requiring dragging over the rocks and sand. Jeeps had no issues, but all the Toyotas had to drag their bottoms. Most drop-offs were 2-3' two were 5+'. Going down was not problem but going up one Tacoma had to be winched to get up. After that issue we found a go-around easier way up for that one for the following rigs.
Bad hill, BB hill, and other climbs were about the same as previous. En Medio crossing was about the same and was slow climbing over the boulders. Nobody got stuck.
One thing I need to investigate is Jaquejel. Jaquegel looks like it is smooth sand as far as we could see from above on the traditional trail. That would sure improve the drive time. I will investigate next fall.
Camping just south of Choabuzo in the En Medio wash was a pleasure. Next to the high bank out of the wind and plenty of firewood available. And further south in En Medio there are similar camping places all the way until you exit the wash. En Medio wash exit was the easier than previous trips.



In other words, nothing extreme. My Gladiator on 38's is completely a different experience than my TJ Rubicon on 35's.
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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 12:58 PM


no problem for your Gladiator
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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 01:27 PM


It is great that you will take it to Baja! I hope it is keeping you happy since we saw you last, at Neal's service.



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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 03:54 PM


What is a "Pole Line" run without Ken Cooke?
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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 04:09 PM
About that bonfire....


Paul, that pile of brush looks like something that your group discovered, left by the floods of Hurrican Kay. If so, you guys did good preventing that rubbish from making its' way to the beach!



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[*] posted on 4-21-2023 at 05:07 PM


When the floods came down the arroyo the largest trees catch floating debris. The arroyo at the place of the image is about 200 yards wide and mostly sand with some small channels. There were numerous trees like the one we burned which was near our camp.
The unknown debris obviously headed down stream, probably ended up in L Salida. No chance any of the flood debris would ever get to a beach.
This was on the beginning of the trip and the arroyo is En Medio.

Later at the east end of the trip Arroyo Jaquegel showed a great deal of flooding but was missing the trees that catch the flood debris. That arroyo was wide and very sandy. The water flow from Jaquegel flows into Arroyo Grande and then into the south end of L Salida. Once again no debris gets to the beach.
L Salida now days is a land locked and usually dry. Of course it absorbs a great amount of flood water that after time just soaks into the earth.
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[*] posted on 4-22-2023 at 07:48 AM


Hurricane Kay:
And not related to the Pole line.
When driving south from San Felipe we found the arroyos with bare sand and the usual clumps of debris caught by the large trees/bushes.
It has been many years since the flooding from the arroyos had debris and water that reached the sea of Cortez. Most of the time the water is absorbed into the porous sand and the debris is left in the arroyos.
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[*] posted on 4-23-2023 at 06:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
no problem for your Gladiator


My 38" Patagonias are down to the last ⅓rd of tread. I'm looking at either 38" Ridge Grapplers, 39.5" BFG KO²s or the 40" Trail Grapplers. Something tall and sturdy with a quiet to tolerable ride and more durable than the Patagonias.
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[*] posted on 4-23-2023 at 06:45 PM


Ken, it is good to see you posting again, I have always appreciated your contributions to this forum!

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