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LancairDriver
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B737 Problems Again
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Don Pisto
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damn you Fishbuck!
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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RFClark
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Today they found the missing door plug from the Alaska Air 737 in an Oregon backyard. Ops! UAL found loose bolts in several of their 737 AC.
I wonder how many flights to Cabo were canceled as a result?
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RFClark
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That would only help if you gave them one of these with it!
[Edited on 1-9-2024 by RFClark]
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LancairDriver
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Fishbuck warned us about the QC problems at Boeing.
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mtgoat666
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Boeing should have warned us about fishbuck!
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“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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It’s surreal that our sociaty obsesses over safety of planes designed to be safe, and statistically very safe, but is completely unconcerned about
allowing widespread ownership of products designed to be dangerous.
The death toll from guns in usa is equivalent to a plane crash every few days. Imagine us ignoring that statistic about planes, or passing laws making
planes less safe.
We have a well funded FAA to keep us safe flying.
For over 2 decades our laws (dickey amendment) actually prevented federal govt from studying safety of guns. Nra (gun mfgs) lobbied for this law. Can
you imagine if airplane mfgs lobbied for a law banning all federal study of air safety?
Anywho, the recent news should all remind us to wear our seatbelts at all times on planes,… as chit happens. Always amazes me that people unfasten
their seat belts on planes…
[Edited on 1-9-2024 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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RFClark
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OSG,
Lots of laws and few guns in Europe but almost a million dead and more injured in the last 2 years due to government sponsored gun violence.
Lots of violence from sharp pointy things too!
The Swiss have guns and little gun or knife violence. They have weapon laws not gun laws. They also have universal military training. Perhaps
they’re on to something?
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LancairDriver
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😂
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They have found that the bolts used to fasten the door panel to the wall were never installed
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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RFClark
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Cliffy,
That’s why the CEO of Boeing “fell on his sword” yesterday! They pulled the plug to load the AC and never replaced the screws! Either of the top
two bolts would have kept the plug in place.
Sometimes Murphy is benevolent. That’s the only reason everyone on the AC isn’t dead. Then there are the “experts” who were amazed that the
c-ckpit door wasn’t a pressure bulkhead! OMG!
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mtgoat666
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I like alaska airlines, i got all my points and status with them, i hope they fix the 737 max 9 problem quickly and get back to serving me those
canned old fashioneds i so like (quite tasty, I try to leave every flight with a few extra cans in my backpack)
Woke!
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Cliffy
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Maybe Boeing needs a Safety Stand Down like the military does?
Maybe a change in leadership to get back to an Engineering mindset instead of a financial mindset?
This is not something new Its been talked about for years at/about Boeing
I there was a new path after the 2 lost aircraft it sure isn't showing up now
Any Las Vegas betting line on how long the CEO lasts?
Unfortunately it all comes down to management
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Maderita
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OH It'll buff right out!
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RFClark
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The difference between Boeing and SpaceX is Elon Musk. Boeing had people like him in the past. Space X has been flying passengers to the space station
for over a year. Boeing’s entry still doesn’t work right. ULA (Boeing) finally launched their new non-reusable first stage a few years late. Space
X has a fleet of reusable first stage boosters with up to 19 flights. ULA isn’t even in the same business.
There was an electronics company called Grass Valley. They designed and manufactured TV Broadcast Electronics overly engineered electronics. Other
people made equipment with the same function and 1/10th the parts. The company lost it’s way and has been sold and moved many times in the last 20
years.
Boeing could be headed down the same road.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | The difference between Boeing and SpaceX is Elon Musk. Boeing had people like him in the past. Space X has been flying passengers to the space station
for over a year. Boeing’s entry still doesn’t work right. ULA (Boeing) finally launched their new non-reusable first stage a few years late. Space
X has a fleet of reusable first stage boosters with up to 19 flights. ULA isn’t even in the same business.
There was an electronics company called Grass Valley. They designed and manufactured TV Broadcast Electronics overly engineered electronics. Other
people made equipment with the same function and 1/10th the parts. The company lost it’s way and has been sold and moved many times in the last 20
years.
Boeing could be headed down the same road. |
You reading of dramatic news miscolors your understanding of commercial aviation is USA. Usa aviation is super safe, has super low rate of
crash/injury. A few hiccups at Boeing does not mean Boeing is over. Boeing still makes great planes.
You want to learn about engineering/failure, read To Engineer is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design by Petroski.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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Here is a summery of the CEO’s remarks and the state of the investigation. UAL has already found loose plug bolts on their 737AC.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/09/business/boeing-safety-meetin...
Goat,
Boeing is commercial AC in the US. That said they risk being left behind.
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A slight hi-jack and a tale of two investors.
Right after the two Max 8 crashes, Boeing stock went from this mid 400s to about $350 or so. My business partner said I should buy some stock as, and
I quote, "Boeing is a $400 stock". I should preface this by saying I am NOT an individual stock buyer, just a typical Vanguard guy.
So I throw a few thou into the stock just for sh*ts and grins and over the next year get hammered by my trash-talking partner every week as the stock
slides to $90.
So a year ago a bunch of us were drinking some loud-mouth and the conversation went to investment strategy and I tell my tale of woe and get laughed
at for except one guy, a newly retired Delta pilot. He said he bought a crap load of BA when it hit $90 and now at $125-$130 he's sitting pretty
good. More hoots and hollers.
Fast forward to a last week's incident and the stock starts cratering from the recent high of the mid $260s and I text the guy where he thinks the
stock will bottom out at. He says it's of no concern to him as he just sold the stock a few weeks before door plug blew out.
I begged him to tell me the next time he buys something so I can piggy back on his obvious stock picking abilities.
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