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Quote: Originally posted by surabi  | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ]
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Your post indicates that you entirely missed my point about "either/or". It isn't a matter of "rich people should curb their consumption before the
average person does"- everyone needs to, including the rich.
Using the excuse "well, look at Zuckerberg", just seems like a lame way to justify not doing one's part.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ] |
Lame.
Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.
Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ] |
Lame.
Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.
Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat. |
Ok Lee, lets make believe that China and India and everyone else is just one big happy family of ours. And continue to think that the hypocrisy of the
"climate change promoters" doesnt exist.
Meanwhile, anyone with a brain can tell you that the sea level rise and fall is not a threat to civilization. Take a deep breath and have a cold
Pacifico under the palm tree.
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10% (US and a few other Western Countries) of the world shouldn't be charged with trying to save the planet.
Especially, when the wealthiest of those 10% create 40%+ of the pollution and do nothing to lower their carbon footprints except lecture the rest of
us.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ]
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How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC
off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?
How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no
matter what crowd?
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC
off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?
How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no
matter what crowd? |
Also important to note that solar panels generate heat as do the A/C compressors and components. Drive thru southern Arizona and take note of the
solar farms. Note how much warmer the area around them is than the surrounding desert.
Desert cities have more and more asphalt and concrete which directly cause a higher heat absorption than the dirt they replaced. Building codes have
been adopted to eliminate dust particles from dirt roads and alley ways thru mandated paving by developers.
The left hand and the right hand of our government do not communicate when it comes to any of this.
As for water, it is all in a closed system. We arent gaining or losing any water from the planet no matter how long people stand in the shower singing
their favorite solo.
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Exactly!
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Save the world?
Please tell me how it makes sense for the US and Europe to go green (and pay the bill to boot) when it won't make a dent in the total world's
pollution because the rest of the world will not comply!
When in fact given the rest of the world's growth in dino juice power any "gain" from the US and EU will be overtaken by the rest of the world's
growth in emissions a couple years.
Now if you can get those polluters to sign on then you'll make progress. But each step forward has a concomitant detraction (i.e., cleaner air means
higher temps due to more insolation received).
Go electric cars? Means more mining with heavy machinery and pollution thereof. Is there enough minerals to build all those batteries? What do you do
with them when they die? Going to mine with electric dozers and shovels? Think again.
Go wind? What do you do with old windmill blades? Solve that one
I'll go all in if someone can find reliable information of the efficiency of any wind farm. It can't be done. Those stats aren't allowed outside the
Board Room. I've looked for 10 years. Find me the day to day stats of generation capacity of individual windmills covering a years time period and
I'll start to change my mind if it shows an efficient operation.
Trains? Are you suggesting we use battery powered long haul train engines to move the worlds commerce? Think again. The physics just aren't there.
World sea shipping? Are we going to move 1.000 foot long container ships by battery power? Think again.
The world can not operate without dino juice so get used to it.
Stop din juice and you WILL kill the world.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
As for water, it is all in a closed system. We arent gaining or losing any water from the planet no matter how long people stand in the shower singing
their favorite solo. |
My point about not taking 20 minute showers wasn't about how much water there is on the planet. It's about being conscious that there are others who
rely on the same resources you do.
The municipal wells in my town are almost dry, and this is the case in many places in Mexico and elsewhere on the planet. Just because there is water
somewhere on the planet doesn't mean it's accessible.
Every person who wastes water or indulges themselves in using more than necessary when water is scarce means someone else in the area who draws from
the same source doesn't have water.
[Edited on 5-17-2024 by surabi]
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Howler monkeys falling dead and dying ffrom heat stroke and dehydration in Tabasco.
47°C in Ciudad Victoria.
But keep denying there's a climate crisis, folks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Internationa...
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How could you be 2000 posts into this thread and not see that from the begging people say the climate is changing. That is not where the discussion
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With the same extrapolation the dinosaurs died out because of a worldwide "climate crisis" caused by a meteor.
All a natural phenomenon in the evolution of the earth from which the earth recovered on its own!
Man is a natural phenomenon in the evolution of the earth.
BTW, as to the recovery potential of the world ecosystem- one only has to look at the Bikini Atoll (for those who remember or even refer to history)
and how it has fully recovered from the atomic bomb testing done there 50 years ago. It was a nuclear waste land that has now recovered.
The earth's ability to heal itself is phenomenal.
I am in no way advocating the wasting of natural resources but the fear that we are "Killing the Earth" to our demise if just folly.
The fear mongering is only supporting a financial industry and being driven by the same financial industry.
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I like Li batteries, but they really need some eggheads to come up with a better fire suppression method for combustible metals…
Battery fire in Otay Mesa smoldering for a sixth day
OTAY MESA — A battery fire at an energy storage facility in Otay Mesa continued to smolder Tuesday, leaving firefighters contending with the blaze
for a sixth straight day.
“This is a dynamic situation, dealing with lithium-ion batteries, so we are treating it very carefully,” said Cal Fire Capt. Mike Cornette.
“We’re being very cautious.”
Evacuation orders and warnings are in effect within several hundred feet of the 250-megawatt Gateway Energy Storage Facility, located in an industrial
park on the 600 block of Camino de la Fuente. But Cornette said the fire has not reached the level of posing a threat to lives in the area.
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This goat suspects that the street name and former land ownership has cursed the land… land associated with Rocky de la Fuente is potentially cursed
with bad juju…
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
But keep denying there's a climate crisis, folks.
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How could you be 2000 posts into this thread and not see that from the begging people say the climate is changing. That is not where the discussion
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I didn't say that people are denying that the climate is changing, did I? I said they are denying that it's a crisis.
All you have to do is read Cliffy's post right below yours to see a prime example of that.
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LI batteries under water
Here is a clip about several EVs that were dunked in salt water; https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/16/watch-as-submerged-tesla...
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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Dunking any car in salt water is death sentence. Doesnt matter whether electric motors or IC motors.
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Exactly, surfhat. All change happens because someone started it. If we never changed the way we do things because others may not, we would still be
living in the stone age.
Leading by example is crucial. On an individual level, that manifests as peer pressure, which leads to people not wanting to appear like jerks when
the rest of their community, work place, etc, supports something which would be of benefit to all.
I remember a post on this forum years ago from a woman who had a neighbor across the street whose yard was filled with garbage, that would blow across
into her own yard daily. She tried talking to the homeowner's grown daughter, who worked at the local corner store, telling her to ask her mom if she
could come over and volunteer to clean up that yard, or pay someone of her mom's choosing to do so. The answer from the mom was no.
The poster finally got so fed up with picking up the blown-over garbage every day she took a photo of the neighbor's yard, with a caption in Spanish
and English saying "Do we really want our neighborhood to look like this?" and posted it on the telephone poles.
She came out the next morning to find the yard across the street totally cleaned up.
As more and more countries get on board with climate change initiatives, those that don't will start to get onboard, because it will look shameful not
to. Not to mention the entire planet is affected by climate change, so a country's own citizens will be pushing for it.
Cliffy's attitude is like everyone on one's block having their front yards look like trash heaps, full of junked cars, discarded furniture, dog chit
and garbage just because Joe down the block won't clean up his mess.
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"You worry about the future for your offspring what about their financial future with all the deficit spending? No matter how well try to clean up our
foot print if it all goes into financial collapse in 30 years what have we left our offspring with?"
Oh, so "the sky is falling" rhetoric is fine when it comes to money, but not the climate.
I can assure you that if we don't manage to find solutions quickly, finances will not be a major consideration for my kids and grandkids in 30 years.
They will just be trying to survive extreme heat and lack of water, if they can survive at all.
Humans and animals are dying already from the heat.
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"A majority of U.S. voters support civil lawsuits against fossil fuel companies for their role in creating the climate crisis, while roughly half
support criminal charges, a new poll from Data for Progress found.
The poll results, released Tuesday, indicate support for the dozens of civil cases against Big Oil currently in U.S. courts, many of which were
brought by municipalities or states. In a sample of over 1,000 respondents, 62% of likely voters said that they supported legal accountability for oil
and gas companies for "their contributions to climate change," including 84% of Democrats and 40% of Republicans."
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