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comitan
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Just 2 weeks ago fishing in Panga, when returning it got rough very hard on back, and kidneys. A couple of years ago riding in Panga with Mexican
driving putting me toward the front, thought I would die had to move to the back, he didn:t like it. Also when it get rough you get wet.
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This is just our opinion on a good inexpensive boat for Baja. I am sure others will disagree, so you must use your own good judgement and pick a boat
YOU like.
Almost every Panga, especially the transoms, will get spongy and absorb water through capillary action. Look at them when they come in...and ask
yourself why they all carry a bailing can in the back. They are not made nearly as well as they could be...aluminum will serve you many years while
requiring less repair, upkeep, paints, transom rebuild, etc, etc, etc......and you can take it with more easily on Baja camping trips to other water
areas like Mag Bay...where we camp and use ours.
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Markitos21
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I'v got a great boat for baja and it's for sale cheeeep! 12 foot Achiles inflatable. streering wheel hard bottom motor controls and it can carry a 25
hp out board! deflate it stick it in your truck and off ya go!! It even comes with some patchs!! 
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Barry A.
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Markitos-----
Personally, I am a Gregor "tin boat" person, myself, but mainly because I can put it on top of my camper and go anywhere without tearing up a trailer
(and boat) on the rough roads. For use by a resident, I still think that a well-made Panga is the way to go, tho. I was not aware that a Panga will
beat you up the way Comitan describes, but I am sure he has a lot more experience than I.
I love my Gregor, but for the reasons I have described. It can be pretty rough on your back in heavy water too, but it always brings you home if you
take care.
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4baja
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it takes alot of time in the baja to figure the right boat, quad and vehicle to accomdate you. ive had two 14 foot aluminums and after fishing for
days my back was killing me, allso try swimming or snorkaling from a small aluminum. pangas are great if you launching from a trailer but try
launching from the beach by yourself. it would take three of us to launch our buddys panga from punta gorda and that was useing rubber rollers. pick
a boat that you can launch with one person but is big enough to enjoy fishing from but small enough to handle and remember that fiberglass is easy to
repair compared to aluminum,. i run a small whaler(17 foot) and my buddy runs a thunderbird(21 foot) and we run all over the islands down there with
no problem. maybe some day ah ha baja somebody may invite you on there whaler with beers in hand and you will understand what a nice boat they really
are but then again the world could end tomorrow. my vote is a fiberglass boat with a walk around cuddy, 18 to 21 foot with a mild vee. maybe next
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That last one looks like the day we were killing it about 200' on the jurel.
I'd give my left, uh, well, I'd give a lot for this boat:
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boat_detail.jsp?boatid=10
[Edited on 10-11-2005 by FrankO]
Union thug.
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Barry A.
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4baja--------
I also own a Whaler, but I find that they are just to heavy for my taste------hard to launch over a beach----and they certainly will not fit on top of
my camper. I leave my Whaler at home, now. Besides, it is just to beautiful to expose to the rigors of Baja. (-:
I have punched holes in my Gregor aluminum a couple of times (on rocks) and just use some "contact cement" and neoprene for temp. repairs (which works
just fine), and then have it welded (helearc) up when I get home. Most of the time, the alum. just bends or dents when you hit something hard. Then
you can pound it out with the proper tools. As Neil Kelly says in the "Baja Catch", all you need is a 14" tin boat for most fishing in the Sea of
Cortez.
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4baja
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i think it was franko, will call you tomorrow. barry ,i agree with you about getting the boat around but after fishing for hours on a aluminum im done
for the trip. to each there own. we should get our whalers together for a longfin trip sometime down here in morro bay.
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David A.
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I don't have much of a problem running all day in my aluminum boat. In fact, Next week I might run around and burn a few gallons of gas and see how
sore I can get .
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4baja
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dave your boat is awesome and rides different then a 14 footer. you guys are going to have a great time.
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Markitos21
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Barry , I agree I'd rather have a ponga or a boat like yours. I'm just trying to clean out my garage. I realy cant get over how far the local
fishermen take those pongas out. Even on the pacific side. Those guys are a breed unto them selfs.
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My wife made me ask. Is a Panga "pottie adaptable"?
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If you can fit a 5 gallon bucket into that panga, it's pottie adaptble. I would opt for the padded seat..re: the wife's comfort.
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Paulina
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4baja
it takes alot of time in the baja to figure the right boat, quad and vehicle to accomdate you. pangas are great if you launching from a trailer but
try launching from the beach by yourself. it would take three of us to launch our buddys panga from punta gorda and that was useing rubber rollers.
pick a boat that you can launch with one person |
Steve, We launch our panga from the beach EVERY TIME, both in Bahia and in Punta Banda. It does take two of us. No one would want to, or should have
to launch OR retrieve a boat single handedly unless in case of emergency. So, picking at boat that one can launch with one person isn't practical,
specially if said boat is going to be worthy of the Sea of Cortez. Would you want to be out in a boat that small?
I agree it would be difficult to launch one's boat without a trailer, as you would have to drag it on the sand all the way to the water. Couldn't do
that with very many boats, a Whaler or a panga. Having rollers on our Easy Loader trailer makes it very simple to back the trailer down the beach,
push the panga off in 3 inches of water without the trailer tires even having to touch water, spin the panga around, row it out, pull start the motor
and we're off.
Regarding launching on the beach by yourself, It would make sense to have one person at the water's edge to manage the boat while the other retieves
the truck and trailer.
About your comment regarding Punta Gorda, a single person such as Gene physically can't launch his panga in Zacatitos by himself. It's a steep, sand
beach, there's always someone to give a hand pushing into the water. How many people would it take to push your whaler across the sand until it
floats?
How far would a Whaler travel running up on the beach La Playita style compaired to a panga? Not far. But if we had to do as you suggest and handle it
alone, it would make sense to run up the beach, then go get the truck, back down, hook up and be done. We could do that with a panga.
To each their own, but after years of boating experience in THE baja, I'm sure you've learned never, ever to anchor a boat close to shore at La Gringa
in Feb. winds...
Saludos!!Mabye next year you can go for a ride on our panga and see what it's all about.
Not dissing your whaler, they're beautiful boats.
I've had three of them.
Love,
Paulina
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Al G
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| Quote: | How far would a Whaler travel running up on the beach La Playita style compaired to a panga? Not far. But if we had to do as you suggest and handle it
alone, it would make sense to run up the beach, then go get the truck, back down, hook up and be done. We could do that with a panga.
Love,
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Dear Paulina,
I'm confused as to loading a panga after running onto a beach. I have watched the panga's land at Punta Lobo near Todo Santos.
These boats look very heavy. Wood?? How much does your boat weigh? Can you lift the front to start it on the trailer? Do you use a winch?
Does anyone run their tin boats onto the beach? Seems to me the beach would be the same as sandpaper and would wear out both boats. Launching in the
mornings may not be that difficult, but loading seems to present lots of problems.(waves) Could you please describe landing and loading in windy surf?
My desires for a boat has change to a 16-21 foot boat and this info will help me to decide.
Albert
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4baja
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al, pangas are a heavy boat that is a fact, other then that they are a great boat. look around bola and see how many pangas are sitting on the beach
and being used daily.0. they trailer them down and up daily. good luck on your choice of boats, next year it will be a 21 foot grady white for this
guy.
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Paulina
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Albert,
I'm GUESSING that our Paceno Panga weighs 600 lbs, but don't quote me on it. If anyone knows the correct weight, chime in.
No, you can't lift up the nose to put it on a trailer if it's in the sand. The reason I said to bring the boat up on the sand is because you would
have to do that to secure the boat while you got your trailer IF you were doing it all by yourself as Steve suggested one should be able to do.
There have been times when one of us has had to do just that in Bahia. Pull the boat up on the sand, back the trailer down beside the boat into the
water, shove the boat back out and walk it up onto the trailer, secure it, then pull the trailer out of the water and back up the beach.
Back in the 80s, pangueros used to leave their boats out on the beach or on panga lines, but because of theft that is no longer done. Like Steve says,
the pangas now are trailered home.
When we pull in with our boat in Bahia, one of us jumps off and holds the boat in shallow water while the other backs the trailer down the beach. We
use the winch to grab on to the boat and crank her in.
In heavy weather, or waves it gets a bit tricky, but we have done it just the same. You just have to stand on the proper side of the panga to hold it
securely. Should you have to do it alone, spin the boat around, put the nose into the wave/wind. Throw the anchor, back the boat up as close to the
shore as you want with your anchor line. Tie it off, jump off, back the trailer down the beach, jump on the boat, pull the anchor line, and off you go
onto the trailer. We also have side guards on the trailer to help that situation.
At Campo La Jolla in Punta Banda the beach is flat. We simply drive the boat down onto the beach, back the trailer to the waters edge and push the
boat off.
Our trailer is an Easy Loader with roller wheels and the two cross members pivot. When retrieving, the bow of the boat is on the sand. We back the
trailer up to the nose of the boat, centered as closely as possible, give the truck a little gas in reverse, up goes the nose and the boat ends up
half way up the trailer. From there we hook it to the winch, crank it the rest of the way on, and home we go. It takes longer to go get the truck and
bring it down to the beach than it does the whole process of putting the boat on the trailer.
Having the right trailer is an important factor. I wish I had photos of beach launching to post. I'll get some in Nov.
Saludos!
Paulina
[Edited on 12-10-2005 by Paulina]
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