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mpc
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Amala has nothing to do with Munoz. This is a private property that the company has owned since 1971 and is fully fenced. The complete area from
Armenta to Requeson is owned by the same company. We have title insurance from First American Title Insurance Company and Stewart Title Insurance
company. Nobody involved in the project has anything to do with Munoz. If anyone ones to know more about the development you can email directly at
info@amalabaja.com
By the way nice way to treat a newbie....
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norte
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I guess that means you would not sign up again.
Hope all goes wel with your property
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mpc
By the way nice way to treat a newbie.... |
Probably wasn't very nice, was it. Problem is, you present property for sale in a war zone and viewers are smart enough to be defensive. Don't
fault them for that.
In the meantime, mpc, welcome to Nomad. It's a tough crowd but, if what you have for sale stands the Nomad test, you'll never have a better
recommendation.
[Edited on 11-26-2009 by DENNIS]
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Crusoe
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Please explain to us about your water source and how you intend to deal with the sewage issue. Thank you.
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woody with a view
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i don't think mpc cares about your water or sewage. mpc cares about your money!
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capt. mike
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"We have title insurance from First American Title Insurance Company and Stewart Title Insurance company"
sorry - but this begs the question - why would you have / need 2 different title insurance policies? why PAY for 2? a single title report on this
property could be very expensive. sorry - i just have never heard of 2 title policies in evidence simultaneously.
now i have done an updated title report and paid for it but that is not an insurance policy in and of itself.
not knocking you - i'd love to buy a lote if i had the scratch.
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mpc
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Thanks for the replies, I do intend to sign up again and I will answer the questions posted:
- Crusoe: for water source the only viable option is a water desal plant (reverse osmosis) that can support the water requirements of the development.
We already have the design of the plant which will be in operation once we really need it which we estimate will not be for the next 18 months.
Regarding sewage we have all the studies done regarding peak rainfall and runoff from storms so we make the required retaining walls and
infrastructure to control it. This changed a bit since Jimena dropped a lot more water than any other storm in the last 100 years so we are adjusting
for more Jimenas in the future. All homes will have independent septyc systems and we are evaluating having a centralized water treatment plant. I can
add more detail to specific questions.
- Woody in ob- I think you will be surprised on how committed we are with the area and creating and amazing development that leads the way in
developments in areas such as Bahia Concepcion. We are not only in it for the money and all though it is a business it is not the ultimate goal. Just
to give you and idea we have set up the Amala Foundation in partnership with the Ocean Foundation and Pro-peninsula in order to commit a percentage of
our sales and operating income for environmental efforts in the peninsula. This partnership helped us set up the guidelines for a true green
sustainable development before we could work with these two great institutions . We have the chance to do it right and we will.
-Capt. Mike- The reason we have title insurance policies with First American and Stewart Title is that initially we got a policy for all the property
which was done with Stewart (couple of years ago-500 acres). Secondly we insured a 100 acres parcel with First American that is where Amala is located
and was part of the original property. We wanted to show that the property title was free and clear by the two standards of the industry since as you
know there has been some people pretending to be owners and trying to sell the land. Luckily enough people have had so bad experiences that no one
buys without extreme caution and title insurance.
I will keep posting info about the project and about what is happening in the bay. There are big plans for the area and as far as I know most of the
developments are people that want to preserve this magnificent place as much as possible and develop in a less intrusive fashion than what has been
done in baja. Any suggestions would be very appreciated since this crowd represents what baja is all about.
Gracias,
mpc
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woody with a view
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well then, let's hope it's done right. even though i hope it doesn't get done for my own SELFISH reasons.
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vandenberg
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Can't think of a worse place in all of Baja for a desal plant.
The discharge into the bay would be catastrophic to marine plant and wildlife. Unless they can think of another way to get rid of the plants by
products, a plan like this is totally unfeasable. Even the Mexican government knows better then that, right ?
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Donjulio
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Mpc what is the current permit status? Thanks
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mpc
Thanks for the replies, I do intend to sign up again and I will answer the questions posted:
- Crusoe: for water source the only viable option is a water desal plant (reverse osmosis) that can support the water requirements of the development.
We already have the design of the plant which will be in operation once we really need it which we estimate will not be for the next 18 months.
Regarding sewage we have all the studies done regarding peak rainfall and runoff from storms so we make the required retaining walls and
infrastructure to control it. This changed a bit since Jimena dropped a lot more water than any other storm in the last 100 years so we are adjusting
for more Jimenas in the future. All homes will have independent septyc systems and we are evaluating having a centralized water treatment plant. I can
add more detail to specific questions.
- Woody in ob- I think you will be surprised on how committed we are with the area and creating and amazing development that leads the way in
developments in areas such as Bahia Concepcion. We are not only in it for the money and all though it is a business it is not the ultimate goal. Just
to give you and idea we have set up the Amala Foundation in partnership with the Ocean Foundation and Pro-peninsula in order to commit a percentage of
our sales and operating income for environmental efforts in the peninsula. This partnership helped us set up the guidelines for a true green
sustainable development before we could work with these two great institutions . We have the chance to do it right and we will.
-Capt. Mike- The reason we have title insurance policies with First American and Stewart Title is that initially we got a policy for all the property
which was done with Stewart (couple of years ago-500 acres). Secondly we insured a 100 acres parcel with First American that is where Amala is located
and was part of the original property. We wanted to show that the property title was free and clear by the two standards of the industry since as you
know there has been some people pretending to be owners and trying to sell the land. Luckily enough people have had so bad experiences that no one
buys without extreme caution and title insurance.
I will keep posting info about the project and about what is happening in the bay. There are big plans for the area and as far as I know most of the
developments are people that want to preserve this magnificent place as much as possible and develop in a less intrusive fashion than what has been
done in baja. Any suggestions would be very appreciated since this crowd represents what baja is all about.
Gracias,
mpc |
It doesn't sound like Muñoz, but it sure sounds a lot like Butterfield and Grogan
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Don Alley
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Water, water, water...
Everyone always talks about the water, or the lack of it.
Be the scarce resource that washes away the greenwash and makes a big lie of all the "sustainabilty" claims is not the water, it's the lack of people
in rural BCS.
Are the rich folk you sell to going to build and operate your desal plant? Or did you find local Mexican folks hanging out in Mulege, drinking their
Modelos, with engineering degrees, ready, willing and able to build and operate the plant?
Fact is, you'll have to import workers for almost everything. And those workers will be followed by even more people, laborers, cooks, even burglars
and drug dealers. None of them will be driving a new Prius or recycling their toilet water. And there will be 10 or more of them for each unit built.
We've seen what runs downhill from these so-called green developments.
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KAT54
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Yes, are the profepa permits in place?
Who owns the concession?
There is a real problem at Benaventura because of this.
Are the roads in?
Is there water to the lots yet?
Where is the desal plant located?
Where will the salty water go that isn't used?
What will be the price of the desal water per gallon?
Do you have the "clubhouse built yet?
Is there a show house to look at?
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Crusoe
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It will be a hard sell in these econmic times to try to market $500k, starting price, lots on undeveloped hardscrabble. A desal plant would kill
almost all the marine life in southern portion Conception Bay very quickly. We will all just have to wait and see. Don't expect much!! ++C++
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dtbushpilot
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Tough crowd......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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mpc
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Water & Desal- desal plants do post an environmental hazard based on two things; their size and the way the by-product is managed. We decided to
use a desal plant after evaluating other possible options and consulting with both experts in the subject and non profit groups that evaluate the
environmental impact of such activities. The way our system will work is that the water will be extracted through a well, salt water fed to the plant
has 30,000 ppm (parts per million of solids), three parts of salt water give you one part of fresh water. The by-product is exactly the same water
but has now 50,000 ppm of solids. This is then injected to another well where the salt is slowly reabsorbed to the environment causing no
contamination at all. The size of our plant will be fairly small and the estimated cost per gallon will be around half a cent which is comparable to
the price that would be paid if you had municipal services.
Permit status- currently we have the subdivision authorized and the “uso de suelo”. We are in the process with our environmental study (MIA) and
construction permits will follow.
We have an application for 4.5 km of concession of the federal zone in the works. It is significantly easier and less expensive to have the concession
if you own the adjacent land which we do.
There is one road to the entrance of the property but the rest of the roads will be built once the permits are in place.
Water to the lots is not yet available, all services and utilities are expected to be in place in the next 18 to 24 months.
Floor plans of the units + the club house will be available soon.
The price stated on the presentation ($500 to $2M) is not ideal for this economic situation and that is why we have two lots for sell at a very
significant discount (around 6 dollars a square foot). We have no hurry and we know the market will come back. For us is just about finding the right
buyer that appreciates what we have and wants to be part of something as unique as the bay itself.
Additional note: we all know that Bahia Concepcion is one of those very unique places in the world and we all wish that progress will not change this
beautiful place into another cabo, acapulco......well our view is that indeed progress is unavoidable but we have the chance to do it right and
develop the area in way that you can enjoy the bay almost the same way we do it now. That is one of the reasons that in Amala less than 10% of the
property will be built on, that is why all our water front lots are more than 100 meters away form the water, that is why all the unit locations
within the lots depend on the vegetation and slope of each particular lot. Our number one priority is to preserve the place and create an experience
of being in nature, non intrusive, peaceful..... Other developers in the area share this philosophy and this can be done right. It will never be the
baja of the past but it can be done very well. This will obviously mean more people, more workers, more jobs, less poverty and we hope we can bring
pride to the locals about what they have and show them that their best bet is to preserve this paradise, it is the most important asset they will ever
have. This is no Loreto Bay, I think those guys had the right idea but got to play with people that do not care about environmental issues. Anyway
they did put Loreto in the map and did a lot of good for the community. I could not dislike the project it itself more but they were pioneers and that
has a lot of value.
If you need any additional info email at info@amalabaja.com
Gracias,
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k-rico
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How about a nice RV park until you find the very rich buyers you're looking for? That way folks can enjoy the area and the locals can benefit from the
income until you turn it into an exclusive area that 99.99999% of the people won't be able to enjoy.
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wilderone
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mpc - I'll just come out and say it - you sound just like the jerks who developed Loreto Bay and totally ruined that bay and it's immediate region for
all eternity. Your so-called plan is exactly the same - your rhetoric is exactly the same. You say you appreciate people who want to preserve Baja's
magnificence and then out of the other side of your mouth, you state you want to develop it all the way to conception Bay.
Again, I will do everything I can to discourage buyers and prevent your development. I represent the people who want Baja to remain as the very
special ecological treasure it is - for everyone - not just a few people who want to own it, and people like you who want to profit.
Go ahead - game on.
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KAT54
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So wilderone you are saying that you
just want to use someone elses property for free?
You do not have any money?
This family says they own this land?
You would rather just abuse the land with you waste and trash and cars?
Can we come to your house and park on your front lawn?
Can we dump our waste there?
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Donjulio
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If your environmental study isn't finished yet you don't have your F3 permit which means you can't legally sell. So whats up?
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