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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
More beheadings in TJ yesterday. There will be more violence than usual because of this for awhile.
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I'm thinking The Engineer (AFO) is making his move if El Teo is really out of the picture and am interested in who got who.
The following article says there was a note but the cops are keeping it to themselves
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/16/police-discov...
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DENNIS
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Big police action today on the Bufadora road about a mile west of Maneadero...Ramos Pools. Went through both directions and have never seen so many
machine guns in one place. Nothing seemed to be happening and no one was doing much at all except standing around the caution tape at the pools. They
must have found something unsavory.
There must have been other things happening in the area at the same time. There were police vehicles, lights and sirens, going every which way on
HWY-1.
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If El Teo was not really caught he must be making a clean sweep of people who he thinks could have narced on him. Or, as K-Rico says El Ingeniero is
in mop up mode to kill all of El Teo's men and claim El Teo's territory as his prize. Then again who the hell knows.
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This is all interesting but it won't change anything, except a few faces. It will all go on and on and on until the profit motive is removed.
carpe diem!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
This is all interesting but it won't change anything, except a few faces. It will all go on and on and on until the profit motive is removed.
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But, wouldn't legalization just create a blackmarket for the product?
Wouldn't all buyers be drawn to the cheapest price?
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It May Sound Weird, But
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
This is all interesting but it won't change anything, except a few faces. It will all go on and on and on until the profit motive is removed.
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But, wouldn't legalization just create a blackmarket for the product?
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Where's the black market for booze and cigarettes? For the most part, people will be willing to accept a trade-off of possible higher prices in
exchange for the removal of the stigma of doing something illegal. That said, let's suppose our society is moving toward legalization of pot. The
problem we will be facing near term is that unless and until it is actually legalized, we will be living in a sort of netherland where the illegal
sale and use of the stuff will be more tolerated. In my opinion, it is during this time when the black market will thrive.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Where's the black market for booze and cigarettes? |
It isn't a black market per se but, have you ever shopped at Duty Free? If it weren't required that the purchased products enter Mexico, surrounding
liquor stores would go broke.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
This is all interesting but it won't change anything, except a few faces. It will all go on and on and on until the profit motive is removed.
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But, wouldn't legalization just create a blackmarket for the product?
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I thought so too but apparently not. As told to me by a friend so it's just anecdotal, the medical pot stores are doing a great business.
Prescriptions are easy to get, folks are going to the stores, buying the highest grade stuff, and having parties. The growers in northern CA are real
happy.
The potheads with existing connections may still be using them, but now it's real easy for the newbies and those who prefer to stay away from illegal
dealers.
But like I said, a story from a friend.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
The growers in northern CA are real happy.
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I guess that's why the cartels are co-opting them too.
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As I mentioned earlier, assuming we are on track to actually legalizing and taxing the stuff, the medicinal pot stores fall into that transitional
period, as do the growers in NORCAL. If this legalization actually does happen, you'll be buying Marlboro and Camel pot.
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Bajahowodd,
If pot is made legal, the cartels will be competitors to Marlboro instead of the boys in Mendocino is all.
"gray market" imported cars is a huge business!
Has anyone heard of people smuggling in legal medications into the states?
There is a big business of selling off-road diesel for onroad use. ILLEGAL.
In my opinion, just because a commodity is legal doesn't prevent entities selling illegal substitues for it.
Point is, the legalization of pot will not eliminate the cartels.
Ken
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i don't think the Feds are going to stop hassling / raiding/ confiscating the CA. licensed state co-ops as they wish, nor will they stop the attack
and eradication of the stealth fields in Nor Cal forests. Fed law trumps state laws to decriminalize. DEA is strong powerful and enjoys a ridiculous
budget allocation to fight a pointless war.
war on drugs is good for politicians on all 3 sides to pony up with.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
i don't think the Feds are going to stop hassling / raiding/ confiscating the CA. licensed state co-ops as they wish, nor will they stop the attack
and eradication of the stealth fields in Nor Cal forests. Fed law trumps state laws to decriminalize. DEA is strong powerful and enjoys a ridiculous
budget allocation to fight a pointless war.
war on drugs is good for politicians on all 3 sides to pony up with. |
"Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday outlined a shift in the enforcement of federal drug laws, saying the administration would
effectively end the Bush administration’s frequent raids on distributors of medical marijuana."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19holder.html
I'm feeling a bit low, I'm going to see that long haired doctor who has his office next to the McDoobies Medical Skunk and Bong store so I can get
high. He's a cool dude, I think he also owns the store.
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It is my understanding that the FDA is currently contemplating taking pot off the schedule three status, primarily to allow more widespread research
into possible benefits of its use. as it stands right now, there is like a single laboratory in the Southeast that has Federal license to even possess
the stuff. Just have to think that the combination of Holder's directive and the downgrading of the drug class will serve to keep the Feds further at
bay. Not saying they won't do something proactive if California voters actually approve the Legalization measure that will be on the ballot next year,
but that's putting the cart before the horse. What wil be interesting is how the voter campaign will play out. Current polls appear to indicate that
this thing could actually pass. Now, let's see which entities spend how much money to defeat it.
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k-rico
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Beltran Leyva Killed
For those who are interested in the drug war and are trying to understand who the combatants are:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8417531.stm
[Edited on 12-17-2009 by k-rico]
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Thanks for the map K-rico, glad to see there's no drug activity in Bahia de los Angeles.
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Beltran bites the dust
Looks like Beltran and some of his buddies bit the dust
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34457826/ns/world_news-americas
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Now for a map of the Mexican Government area of influence.....or maybe there is none?
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HUGE NEWS! They had a narco party staked-out and only managed to arrest the band for singing narco ballads. They got Beltrans in the dumpy condo he
was hiding out in- covered in bullet holes now (him too).
El Teo is still out and about in Rosrito. He has a look that is totally forgettable- you would walk past him and not know it was him (even after
seeing his photo). I have a "bad boy" nephew who knows Mr. Teo. He won't talk to me about him, but did say he has had conversations with Teo standing
"as close as we are now uncle" (we were sitting next to each other at the time). Big Mexican families- go figure.
[Edited on 12-17-2009 by Woooosh]
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It Is Amazingly Far Reaching
Thought this interesting. A gang in British Columbia seems to resemble the Mexican cartels way too much. Big international reach. They grow pot in
Canada, sell it there and in the US, launder the money in the US and then use the money to buy cocaine from the Mexicans.
Today's LA Times
U.S. sentences leader of Canadian drug gang to 30 years
Officials say British Columbia resident Clay Roueche's United Nations gang is 'equal parts corporate and violent,' and that his sentencing will mark a
turning point in efforts to stem drug traffic.
B.C.Gangs
By Kim Murphy
December 17, 2009
Reporting from Seattle - The leader of a violent Canadian drug gang known as the United Nations -- which has transported millions of dollars in
cocaine, marijuana, firearms and cash up and down the West Coast -- was sentenced Wednesday to 30 years in a U.S. federal prison.
Officials said that the sentencing of Clay Franklin Roueche, 34, marked a turning point in British Columbia's attempts to stamp out a gang war and
slow the flood of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Canada border.
In the late 1990s, Roueche, who once made his living as a scrap-metal salesman and welder in the comfortable suburbs east of Vancouver, founded the
notorious U.N. gang, which prosecutors called both "corporate and violent."
Its multinational membership is known for a dedication to Eastern philosophy and adherence to the credo "honor-loyalty-respect," which is emblazoned
on the organization's jewelry, T-shirts and gravestones.
The gang's battle with the rival Red Scorpions for control of the area drug market has bloodied the streets of British Columbia's Lower Mainland. At
least 20 people died during the first few months of this year -- many of them in brazen attacks in nightclub parking lots and on busy street corners.
British Columbia drug organizations have made huge profits selling the province's powerful variety of marijuana, known as B.C. bud, in the U.S. and
using the revenue to buy Mexican-imported cocaine. Some estimates have put the province's annual drug economy at $6.3 billion.
According to U.S. authorities, the U.N. gang ran helicopter shipments of marijuana into the mountainous backcountry of northern Washington state, then
laundered millions of dollars of cash in Los Angeles and purchased cocaine for shipment back to Canada.
"To law enforcement in Canada and the U.S., Clay Roueche is the prototypical drug kingpin -- the leader of a dangerous gang of criminals who have
taken over a multimillion-dollar drug trade," U.S. District Judge Robert S. Lasnik said.
"He was the one who started the U.N. gang, and that [marks] him clearly as the leader, with a capital L," the judge said. "The massive amounts of
drugs, the highly sophisticated means of transport, the huge amounts of money and the pervasive presence of weapons all argue for a lengthy sentence."
Prosecutors said that Roueche would probably be eligible for parole after serving about 85% of his sentence.
Conversations secretly recorded by law enforcement showed that Roueche had avoided traveling to the U.S. in recent years, knowing he might face arrest
there. But when he flew to Mexico in May 2008 -- ostensibly for a wedding -- he was turned away by authorities there and deported to Texas, where he
was arrested.
A investigation of the gang in 2005-06, conducted with the help of undercover informants and wiretaps, resulted in the seizure of 2,169 pounds of
Canadian marijuana, 335 kilograms of cocaine, $2.03 million in U.S. currency and five firearms.
"He told one witness he was sending $500,000 a week" in drug profits to be laundered, Assistant U.S. Atty. Susan Roe told the judge. "That's $26
million a year. . . . The size of this operation was enormous."
Roe said that Roueche ran a business "in equal parts corporate and violent" that employed workers to transport drugs to New York, Chicago, Texas and
Los Angeles -- as well as Canada. He traveled to countries including Vietnam, Japan, the Netherlands, Lebanon, Thailand, the United Arab Emirates,
China, Venezuela, India, Australia and Mexico, Roe said.
"Clay Roueche was a world traveler because he had a global business empire," she said.
Defense attorney Todd Maybrown argued that Roueche had admitted his crimes but should not be blamed for the full volume of drugs crossing the border.
Most of the violence involving U.N. gang members saw them as victims, not perpetrators, Maybrown added.
The defendant, dressed in khaki trousers and matching shirt, sat staring at the defense table during the sentencing, his mouth resting tensely on his
clasped hands.
"When a person is subjected to a horrible circumstance, they find out who their friends are. I'm proud to say I have some of the best friends in the
world," Roueche said in a brief address to the court, referring to the letters of support written to the judge from former employers, family members
and his young children.
"I can't change what's already done," he said. "Life is one big lesson, and it's important to learn from our mistakes. I promise I will not make the
same mistakes. . . . I believe circumstances always change: What's negative today is positive tomorrow. That's why I live my life free of fear. At
this point, I'll keep marching forward."
kim.murphy@latimes.com
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