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rts551
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Take your meds Dennis. You have lived off the good will of Mexico too long.
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Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the
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No!!! Go there. Be my guest.
My disability with the Veterans Administration is for unresolved mental issues in combat situations while in the employ of the United States
government. Being held prisoner in a room with the end of a rifle held to my head for eight hours while being told of my upcoming end. Over and over.
You, Air Boy, couldn't handle that.
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Ricardo
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Not being a leech
Nobody should feel bad , or feel like a leech, If 1000 people all pay $70 but only 20 need medical help then the other 980 help pay the bill, Just
like a Insurance company.
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rts551
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This does bring up an interesting issue. Dennis, nor I, pay a lot of taxes (in Mexico). yet we use a lot of services (roads, police, emergency
medical etc). Instead of complaining, have we wondered when the golden goose may quit laying? Are the taxation laws going to change where we will
pay more?
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Steve, I'm a little relieved your back situation is improving and it sounds like there's progress in its diagnosis and treatment. What I'm concerned
about is your upcoming long drive with Nikki to the US (Cali, AZ, Washington, etc.). That Aug 11 Dr appt sounds like it interferes with original
plans. Please let Nora and me know if there's something we can do for you, besides praying for your speedy recovery. Thanks again for driving us
around La Paz during our recent visit despite of your back problem.
Art
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Glad to hear this. I have had nothing but good reports about this service.
Sorry that the folks who have had no experience immediately attack. Thay probably have some other agenda. |
So you know that I have had no experience with Mexican healthcare? You must have a gift to be able to say that when you don't have a clue as to who I
am and what I have been thru. There are many fine doctors in Baja, however the system is that of a third world country and anyone who compares it to
the US is a fool.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the
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No!!! Go there. Be my guest.
My disability with the Veterans Administration is for unresolved mental issues in combat situations while in the employ of the United States
government. Being held prisoner in a room with the end of a rifle held to my head for eight hours while being told of my upcoming end. Over and over.
You, Air Boy, couldn't handle that.
I couldn't either, so go ***k yourself. |
Being an Vet.....
I salute you DENNIS. Sorry to hear about your nightmare ordeal.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Matteo, allow me to put them in the proper order: tequila, massage, tequila, weight loss, tequila, massage, tequila, stretching, tequila, massage,
tequila, chiropractic, tequila, massage, and (meh) acupuncture. |
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I am starting the regimen NOW, but only every other. The rest will have to wait. 
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Cristina and I both signed up and we pay zero - nada. We do go to local, private doctors for just regular, everyday stuff like my BP medication, back
aches, etc. Even paying out of pocket it's quick, cheap and easy.
We mainly keep the seguro popular as a backup for catastrophic care type needs...
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rts551
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Dennis. sorry to hit such a sore point. I was only pointing out we don't pay nearly enough in taxes to pay for what we receive.
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This does bring up an interesting issue. Dennis, nor I, pay a lot of taxes (in Mexico). yet we use a lot of services (roads, police, emergency
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You are overflowing with *****, Ralph. I pay as much tax as anybody else here does. My rent is taxed....my gas is taxed...my phone is taxed and
every ******** thing I buy in the stores is taxed, ****************************************.
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rts551
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Seems odd, that you didn't relay any facts about your healthcare experience while living in Mexico. but please tell us what happened so we can
compare.
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Glad to hear this. I have had nothing but good reports about this service.
Sorry that the folks who have had no experience immediately attack. Thay probably have some other agenda. |
So you know that I have had no experience with Mexican healthcare? You must have a gift to be able to say that when you don't have a clue as to who I
am and what I have been thru. There are many fine doctors in Baja, however the system is that of a third world country and anyone who compares it to
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This is an excellent program for those with limited financial resources and would be a good backup plan for others, too. One need only have an FM3 or
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...and absolutely no pre-existing conditions, or they will not accept you into the plan.
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I'm fascinated by the fact that a poor country like Mexico can finance such a program, yet in the US this is seen as "socialism" by many, and
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It is not socialized medicine. You pay an annual insurance fee. No different than an HMO or PPO plan in the US. It's just cheaper because the level of
services are very low. As you discovere, they are out of medicines most of the time.
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I received no screening for any preexisting medical conditions, so you are wrong there. And it is most certainly socialized, as the brunt of the bill,
as Dennis has so kindly pointed out, is paid for by the Mexican government, i.e. society. Much like my Tricare coverage in the US.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by edm1
Steve, I'm a little relieved your back situation is improving and it sounds like there's progress in its diagnosis and treatment. What I'm concerned
about is your upcoming long drive with Nikki to the US (Cali, AZ, Washington, etc.). That Aug 11 Dr appt sounds like it interferes with original
plans. Please let Nora and me know if there's something we can do for you, besides praying for your speedy recovery. Thanks again for driving us
around La Paz during our recent visit despite of your back problem.
Art
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Hey Art. I've really enjoyed your trip reports on your just-concluded vacation and am glad all went well on your return trip. It was a pleasure to
share our little corner of Baja with you and Nora. You are most welcome at our place any time.
With the right meds, the problem is bearable, so I don't think it will interfere too much with the drive up--but thanks for your concern just the
same. Give my best to Nora and take care,
Steve
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There were no questions or examination for preexisting conditions for either of us when signing up for the seguro popular...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Take your meds Dennis. You have lived off the good will of Mexico too long.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the
kettle black.
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No!!! Go there. Be my guest.
My disability with the Veterans Administration is for unresolved mental issues in combat situations while in the employ of the United States
government. Being held prisoner in a room with the end of a rifle held to my head for eight hours while being told of my upcoming end. Over and over.
You, Air Boy, couldn't handle that.
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Look. I have had my (very public) nasty exchanges with Dennis, and I can certainly agree that he can be a total prick. But, this one is off limits and
out of bounds. My very gentle suggestion is this, unless you've been there, done that STFU on this one. And if you have, I'm sure you won't need me to
say anything at all.
And, while we're on the topic, have you served? In anything close to the situation Dennis just described? Somehow, I doubt it.
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I received no screening for any preexisting medical conditions, so you are wrong there. And it is most certainly socialized, as the brunt of the bill,
as Dennis has so kindly pointed out, is paid for by the Mexican government, i.e. society. Much like my Tricare coverage in the US.
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There is a difference, right? Unless you served in the Mexican military. Tricare IS for Military, right?
Just curious - how do you feel about people getting Social Security disability or other, or Medicare and Medicaid in the U.S. if they immigrated
recently? Is this a similar situation to yours?
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According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to
large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance policies that require members to
go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[44] Some of Mexico's top-rate hospitals are internationally accredited.[45] Americans,
particularly those living near the Mexican border, now routinely cross the border into Mexico for medical care
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to
large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance policies that require members to
go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[44] Some of Mexico's top-rate hospitals are internationally accredited.[45] Americans,
particularly those living near the Mexican border, now routinely cross the border into Mexico for medical care |
You've been to Mexico? 
With some exceptions, medical care in mexico is 3rd-world standard. Go into some clinic in some little town sometime. For that matter, go visit IMSS
in Ensenada, or the IMSS hospital in TJ. Then, compare to ANY hospital in San Diego. Go to the VA in La Jolla, Sharp, Scripps, whatever. Let us know
what you find.
Of course, there are some great doctors there. But that's IN SPITE of the system, not because of it. But, to each his own. I can tell you that I have
to be dying in the next 30 minutes not to try and get back to the states in case of serious illness or injury.
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Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
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I received no screening for any preexisting medical conditions, so you are wrong there. And it is most certainly socialized, as the brunt of the bill,
as Dennis has so kindly pointed out, is paid for by the Mexican government, i.e. society. Much like my Tricare coverage in the US.
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There is a difference, right? Unless you served in the Mexican military. Tricare IS for Military, right?
Just curious - how do you feel about people getting Social Security disability or other, or Medicare and Medicaid in the U.S. if they immigrated
recently? Is this a similar situation to yours? |
I'm not sure I understand your reference to the Mexican military. I'm a US military retiree, but don't use Tricare when I'm south of the border.
I have no problem with people getting social security or other benefits, if they qualify for them. With all of the corruption and scamming that goes
on in the upper reaches of our economy, I don't sweat the limited benefits the "little people" are able to squeeze out of the system. Many of the
politicans who focus on that are merely trying to distract us from the real crooks that live among us. I've known a lot of immigrants in the US during
my life and can say that the overwhelming majority came to the US to work, not to scam on our benefits. Most of the undocumented workers I've known
have phony SSNs, which means that they contribute to a system they will likely never receive any benefits from, but that doesn't get much press. Take
also into account the poorly-paid work they do that helps keep down the prices of produce in our grocery stores, etc.
I'm a humanist by nature and know that our system produces enough "fat" to go around. But lately (as in the last three decades) that excess economic
output has been captured by the elite of our nation and taken out of circulation. At least if it is redistributed to people in need, it will
immediately be spent, doing some good in the economy. I'm in favor of regulated capitalism with socialist leanings.
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Look. I have had my (very public) nasty exchanges with Dennis, and I can certainly agree that he can be a total prick. But, this one is off limits and
out of bounds. My very gentle suggestion is this, unless you've been there, done that STFU on this one. And if you have, I'm sure you won't need me to
say anything at all.
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Yes, Roberto, I have also served in a war for my country. I make no apologies for not getting captured by our enemies. And as for respecting Dennis, I
give respect where respect is due. There are NO sacred cows on this board, not Skeet, not Dennis, no one. As much as he likes to dish it out, he can
damn well take it, or, as you say, STFU.
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