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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chnlisle
Today in Rosarito, they shot the dog too.
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chinless:
the pic you posted was put in paper purely for ghoulish voyeuristic titilation. your posting the pic here was same motivation.
what's the story that goes along with pic? gang members, innocents or gray zone in between (e.g. cops)
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wessongroup
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Was the "real news coverage" of the Vietnam war done for "ghoulish voyeuristic titillation"? No ... they were done so the "people" could see first
hand what was going on... and I must say.. the overall lack of coverage what has been going on for almost ten years is pathetic.. can remember NBC
having a wall up with "photographs" of the folks getting killed.. think they ran out of space or was it commitment or both..
You want to go to Disneyland.. it's in CA & FL as what you see here is what you can get here.... it is that simple.. keep awake, keep thinking and
keep your guard up.. one does not have to live in fear... I don't .. but I don't think for one minute.. that someone that has "cased" me.. from a
distance for a few weeks could not take out an old man, if they really wanted to.. even if I had Dr. Glock.. as they would have taken that into
consideration too... as said.. I would be shot as I stepped out the door.. as I turn a light on in the kitchen or bathroom .. many ways to go, if you
have the knowledge... and/or training .. and one can make up a silencer pretty damn easy..
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noproblemo2
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Such a shame that people have to resort to such violence, and for what??? Food, Drugs, Pay the rent?? Times are tough everywhere and it will get
worse, the best we can do is protect ourselves as best we can, alarm systems have been known to fail in their ability to get responders, security bars
can be cut, a camera with a tilt/pan range would at least offer some advance warning of impending dangers, IF one is watching the monitor.
wessongroup, I agree with the need to keep emergency supplies on hand at all times, minimum one month supply of food and water along with a good first
aid kit tailored to your families medical needs.. Even with precautions taken things will still occur...
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Bajatripper
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Without knowing anything else about the photo, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that it involves drug territories. Some may accuse me of
stereotyping, but the truth is that most of these types of killings are about drug turf wars, and the statistics prove it. These folks weren't even
caught in a crossfire, but were obviously targetted.
What happened in Buena Vista is cause for alarm--for sure--and many useful suggestions have been made here. But to flat-out state that this (the
photo) is where we who still choose to remain in Mexico will end up is disingenuous at best, and nothing short of screaming "Fire" in a crowded
theater because someone was smoking in the bathroom at its worst.
Those who made recommendations for airhorns, alarms, barred windows/doors, etc. made perfect sense to me. Some of these are the same countermeasures
that people in the host nation use, so they must be effective at certain level of people wouldn't bother with the expense. To equte these ideas with
"macho talk" is puzzling. Heck, the poster didn't even mention a gun or a Hummer, how could it be macho talk?
And yes, these types of photos do show up in Mexican papers (the Alarma was my favorite "gore fix" as a kid), but that doesn't make it right to place
it here.
Some have said that it is good to be exposed to such "information" to be more aware. But that wasn't the purpose of THIS photo posting. It, along with
the accompanying text, was meant to cause a great deal of anxiety, concern, fear, and panic. I'm guessing it will have that effect on some.
To all of you who made valuable contributions (I'm going to make me a batch of the pepper spray), thanks, and good on you. To the poster of photo,
"shame, shame, shame" (in my best imitation of Gomer Pyle).
Shame on you!
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toneart
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One way in which this string has helped: It has been a reminder to not become complacent or let your guard down. The opportunists are out there
looking for the vulnerable and the unaware.
Here is the best protection:
Be aware of your surroundings. Take a good look and look for people who may be casing your house and/or stalking you. The same goes for when you are
out and walking about. Don't get paranoid or let this awareness ruin your day.
Any of the weapons described here will be no match for the firepower that you can't legally possess. But...they may give you a fighting chance to
impede, stall and then run. In my opinion, that is better that just giving up to an execution.
That photo with the dog really disturbed me.
Every situation is unique and everybody's reactions in time of crisis is also unique. You really don't know how you would react, but it is better to
plan and even rehearse different scenarios in your mind.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
One way in which this string has helped: It has been a reminder to not become complacent or let your guard down. The opportunists are out there
looking for the vulnerable and the unaware.
Here is the best protection:
Be aware of your surroundings. Take a good look and look for people who may be casing your house and/or stalking you. The same goes for when you are
out and walking about. Don't get paranoid or let this awareness ruin your day.
Any of the weapons described here will be no match for the firepower that you can't legally possess. But...they may give you a fighting chance to
impede, stall and then run. In my opinion, that is better that just giving up to an execution.
That photo with the dog really disturbed me.
Every situation is unique and everybody's reactions in time of crisis is also unique. You really don't know how you would react, but it is better to
plan and even rehearse different scenarios in your mind. |
Well said, Toneart, couldn't agree more.
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wessongroup
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Tone, Ditto's...
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Photos of dead people tend to be disturbing.
The self-satisfying ranting about "what I would do if...." is not much more than illusionary self-deception for most people....as most people would
sh#t themselves before they would bring themselves to using lethal force.
Those on this list who have actually killed people (most likely in the line of duty) likely know the horror of that.
It's reality and a reminder....not much more ghoulish than blustering about how you would defend yourself.
I am not against defending yourself, but few people are truly prepared for how to do that...
Sounds like Baja is experiencing a new wave of desperate violence ....driven by a range of factors.
Que lastima !!
Don't believe everything you think....
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This all being said, but none of us actually know what we would do in these types of circumstances until faced with them.We know what we think we
would do, but reality is way different.
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Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other
hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you go to the door armed or not...etc.
[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]
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noproblemo2
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Think maybe in these times armed may be better even if it's a knife......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other
hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc. |
I think just the opposite. The "bad guys" assume that you will roll over and do what they want. Doing anything "out of the box" does not fit into
their plan......read Sun Tzu:
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html
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We just got a 1y/o trained Rhodesian Ridgeback guard dog last night. It is a nice piece of mind. She is very protective already and we've only had her
20hrs!! She doen't let anyone come close, however she has already bonded with us.
It'll be interested to see how she is in a month or a year from now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc. |
Do you goo to the door or poo in your pants? (Or just crumple them in a bunch?)
[Edited on 7-21-2010 by MsTerieus]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other
hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc. |
Under all possible circumstances , they must be kept at a distance. Don't open a door without a security barrier in place.
If the safe distance is violated, you have time to react.
If some don't think they can do this intuitively, practice it.
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other
hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you go to the door armed or not...etc. |
I think just the opposite. The "bad guys" assume that you will roll over and do what they want. Doing anything "out of the box" does not fit into
their plan......read Sun Tzu:
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html |
I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us. Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us. Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.
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Extreme vigilance is a life saver.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
We just got a 1y/o trained Rhodesian Ridgeback guard dog last night. It is a nice piece of mind. She is very protective already and we've only had her
20hrs!! She doen't let anyone come close, however she has already bonded with us.
It'll be interested to see how she is in a month or a year from now. |
Hey fish, did not know what is was and looked it up, man you got one dog there.. African Lion Dog .. wow.. 
Ya going teacher her to fish? Man.. what do you feed her.. and how much.. and who gets dog duty.. boy oh boy, what a good looking animal, in the
pictures off the net...
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fishabductor
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In the middle of the night, I go prepared. However in the day it would be different.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us........ Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.
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Exactly.......be prepared, have situational awareness and DO NOT be caught off guard..........don't be a sheep.
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