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Baja Bernie
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Who did what in Baja and When
Recently I have been in contact with a few Baja People who have done a lot of work in trying to determine who came to Baja both when and how. I
personally believe that the smart folk did NOT walk in but rather boated here. Stop and think about it. Even the first wave of modern explorers in
Baja wandered in by sea. Ray Cannon is one example the Patchens are an other.
My money says they came from China via Australia about 10,000 years ago. The rock art in Australia and Baja may be very similar and then there is the
stuff in Patagonia.
Anyway, For those interested WHY DON'T WE START POSTING THIS STUFF on the Baja Historic Interests & Literature Section. This will give us a
better vehicle to communicate (over U-2-U's) and others can get involved should they wish to.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Mike Supino
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Why don't you just ask Neal Johns. He was there when they arrived.
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Baja Bernie
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Mike
I hate people who cut to the chase without stopping to smell the roses.
I will defend Neal, at least for a few minutes. He wasonly there for half of it!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Gypsy Jan
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So...cruel (cough, true)
How could you insult a towering institution in this manner?
Beware, NJ will send out squads of WIW's to avenge this stain on his legacy.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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MrBillM
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The First One
I had an old friend and neighbor (now dead) in Baja who was always the first anywhere in Baja, no matter what story was being told.
I used to ask him what Junipero Serra said to him when he stepped off the boat. It didn't slow down his stories at all.
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Pompano
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I remember the smell of sulphur.....and of course the early Baja visitors came by boats. They were southeastern Asians and I met them at the western
shore.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Bruce R Leech
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they came in space ships but they were told not to tell anyone.
Bruce R Leech
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Pompano
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Baja Bernie...good idea. I think the discovery of that early Baja skull that shows clear Mongoloid features and also the very distinct resemblance of
Baja rock art to Australian rock art is certainly grist for the mill of ...Who first populated Baja? Australia was settled by Asians via boat, so why
not Baja..and other areas? The study of early man is always unearthing new discoveries and theories. Who knows?..Bruce may not be so far off with
his alien joke!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Bruce R Leech
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all jokes aside my vote is for the land bridge theory at this point. they need to do the DNA testing on more people down here to figure this out for
sure.
Bruce R Leech
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Neal Johns
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Boy, oh boy, you guys and gals are in real trouble. Picking on a harmless, helpless, old man like me for no reason has real ticked me off. Sure I was
there to greet those Nouveau Arrivals when their raft washed up on the shore and taught them how to make fire, but why is that reason to ridicule me?
Who showed the Spaniards the best route for the El Camino Real, who led them to Alto California where they are still coming? I could go on and on but
am constrained by only fault, an excess of modesty.
Sincerely Yours,
El Dios de Baja :moon:
My motto:
Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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Bruce R Leech
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Neal Johns that is good. maybe you can answer the question about the chicken bones.
Bruce R Leech
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David K
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You're the best Neal!
Here's how we found you in 2001, on the El Camino Real south of San Borja, showing us the rocks you moved in your youth about 1755...
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Baja Bernie
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BOY
I started this out as a simple little, serious, appeal to those who research Baja and all I get is FUN which is what Baja is all about.
Neal is old I will grant you that, BUT that old I think not. That his wives in waiting will attack I am sure---What a guy.
The only person of standng that we have not heard from if Bajalera. I now know that Osprey is an old time friend of, of a friend, Don Jimmy. No I
will not reveal his name but he has started a novel on Baja that just may be a blockbuster if he finishes it.
Okay---now can we get serious????
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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jrbaja
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Believe me Bernie
When that crotchety old Osprey finishes his writings, we will all be the better off for it!
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Baja Bernie
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JR
I believe --- and he is crotchety--a good friend of Don Jimmy's
Missed you at the signing. But not much 'cause you already bought my no account books. Hey! sold a few of Jimmy's and will be sending Dona Lupe a C
note from the Don.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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jrbaja
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Good for you Sir!
We ran into Mike and Keri yesterday and we heard it was a blast. We tried but had to deal with bamboo and being gone for a week. Hope to see you
too
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bajalera
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I'm not sure you really want to hear from me, Bernie. There are some formidable difficulties with an arrival via Australia-- prevailing ocean
currents, for starters.
Did you get a U2U from me about a book by Stephen Powell or Power (I forget which). I sent it off but there's no record in my out file, so maybe it's
drifting around somewhere in cyberspace.
Meanwhile, this thread is evidence that my book about the peninsular Indians has a whole lot of potential customers.
Gotta work harder!
Lera
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Neal Johns
Boy, oh boy, you guys and gals are in real trouble. Picking on a harmless, helpless, old man like me for no reason has real ticked me off. Sure I was
there to greet those Nouveau Arrivals when their raft washed up on the shore and taught them how to make fire, but why is that reason to ridicule me?
Who showed the Spaniards the best route for the El Camino Real, who led them to Alto California where they are still coming? I could go on and on but
am constrained by only fault, an excess of modesty.
Sincerely Yours,
El Dios de Baja:moon: |
Neal, you posted the wrong picture...that is Mike Humfreville.
[Edited on 4-28-2005 by jeans]
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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Baja Bernie
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Lera
No I did not get the u2u from you. I'll get back to you on thr currents. Not being a sailor I'll have to check the book
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Pompano
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Who were the First Americans?
A study of skulls excavated from the tip of Baja suggests the first people (Americans, that is) may not have been the ancestors of today's
Amer-Indians, but another people who came from Southeast Asia and the southern Pacific area.
This is in conflict with the traditional belief that Native Americans are supposed to have descended from northeast Asia, arriving over a land bridge
between Siberia and Alaska some 12,000 years ago and then migrating across North and South America.
Recent research, including the skull find here in Baja Sur, indicates that the initial settlement of our continent was instead driven by Southeast
Asians who occupied Australia 60,000 years ago and then expanded into the Americas about 13,500 years ago, thus prior to Mongoloid people arriving
from Siberia.
The Baja skulls have slender-looking faces that are far different from the broad-cheeked craniums of modern Amerindians, who are descendants of the
Mongoloid people. (American Indians resemble the people of Mongolia, China, and Siberia.) Most anthropologists are agreeing that the once accepted
theory of a single migration of East Asians is wrong and that the settlement of the New World is better explained by considering a continuous influx
of people from all over Asia. Some walked, some boated is more likely what happened. Of course, some 'beamed down'...like Bruce.
Anyone who has taken a basic 101 course in the study of mankind (Anthropology) has read the conventional wisdom that says Native Americans descended
from prehistoric hunters who walked from northeast Asia across the land bridge, formed at the end of the Ice Age..about 12,000 years ago. In the
1930's acheologists found some stone spear points among mammoth bones near Clovis, New Mexico. Carbon dating placed this at 11,400 years old. These
sites were assumed for years to be the first evidence of human occupation in the Americas. This was the text I was taught from in college way back in
1961 when I took my first course in anthropology. But more recent discoveries challenged that theory. In 1996 weapons and tools were found in
southern Chile dating back 12,500 years. In Brazil some of the oldest human remains, including a female skeleton -named Luzia - were found that are
more than 11,000 years old. The features on Luzia more closely matched those of native Aborigines in Austalia. Those Aussie Aborgines date back to
about 60,000 years and were themselves descended from the first humans who probably originated in Africa.
Researchers believe Luzia was part of people, referred to as "Paleoamericans", who migrated into the Americas -possibly even by boat - long before the
northen Mongoloid people. These Paleoamericans may later have been wiped out by or interbred with Mongoloids invading from the north...(those damn
gringos again!)
The fairly modern skulls found in Baja are similar to Luzia and other more ancient skulls found in South America. Craniums characterized by long and
narrow skulls, with faces short and low. Like the Aussies. That suggests that Baja was one of many isolated pockets throughout the Americas where
Paleoamerican traits survived. This group may not have come into contact with other peoples for millennia..although some skeptics say that it is very
unusual for a population, especially near a coastline, that could have been islolated for more than 10,000 years. However unusual, that is probably
what happened. Hey, sounds typical for an early Baja to me! Damn that road....
A little twist to some new discoveries...Kennewick Man. The identity of the first Americans is a powerful financial and political issue with American
Indians, who believe their ancestors were the first to inhabit the Americas.. (the Siberian land bridge guys out for a little stroll).
With their claim of being the first Americans with 'sovereign nation rights' American Indians build and benefit from hundreds of casinos around the
nation. This is a mega-business. One little band of Chippewa native Americans near my home in North Dakota recieves over $100,000 yearly for each
person, adult or child, from profits of thier local casino. There are many more reservation casinos in the state that do better.
Kenniwick Man.....controversy erupted after skeletal remains were found in Kenniwick, Washington, in 1996. This skeleton, estimated to be 9,000 years
old, had a long cranium and narrow face-features typical of Europeans, the Near East, or India-rather than the wide cheekbones and rounder skull of an
American Indian. The coalition of Indian tribes said that if Kennewick Man was 9,000 years old, he must be their ancestor, no matter what he looked
like. Invoking a U.S. federal law that provides for the return of Native American remains to their living descendants, the tribes demanded a halt to
all scientific study and the immediate return of the skeleton for burial in a secret location. The matter is still stuck in the courts.
Hmm...wouldn't want to lose those 'soveriegn nation' rights to all the money machines called casinos.
So there we are...Baja people were more than likely among the very first Americans. The evidence points to an earlier settling by Paleoamericans (the
Australian Aborigines and southern Asians) than by Mongoloids (the Siberian northern land bridge walkers).
[Edited on 4-28-2005 by Pompano]
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