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PacO
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I use the marine grade paper. Never a problem. Not real big on the paper in the basket.
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capn.sharky
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Bob and Susan---You are the King of Toilet Paper knowledge. Who was Thomas Crapper---and why didn't he get his name changed? Average person uses 8.6
per visit-----what happened to the .4 piece? Maybe they blow their nose on it. I don't believe that 8.6 as an average. Women use 8.6 rolls of paper
before they even sit down. Lastly---only Clinton would have thought of a way to tax taking a crap. In fact---I would bet Clinton is a close relative
of Tom Crapper.
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MrBillM
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Crappy Thread
I noticed this a.m. that there was a posting on the UCR (Fred Metcalf's) board saying that they could expect an increase in member postings since the
Nomad's board had degenerated into a discussion of feces and urine.
I pointed out that this particular subject has a great deal of significance to those of us who live here since it is a subject that we have all had to
deal with, usually at the worst possible time.
I found it interesting a few minutes ago, that the whole thread on that board had been removed by the moderator. Talk about delicate sensibilities.
I guess even a pertinent subject discussed without profanity is too much for Freddie if it involves caca.
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cranky
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Capt. Sharky who looks and anal comes to mind. I had to look that up. Cranky
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Bajaddict
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Septic Systems
In my opinion, toilet paper is not flushed due to overtaxed, poorly maintained, improperly designed, or non-existent septic tanks and leach fields....
mostly due to economic restraints. Buildings with toilets that connect to a public sewer, where availible, are not prone to the problems associated
with the flushing of toilet paper.... if the building's waste piping has been properly sized, installed, and vented - that is.
A properly sized tank, with two or more chambers, will allow the retention time necessary for the discharge to break down into effluent. This "broth"
then passes into a leach field, composed of perforated pipe draining into sub-surface gravel-filled filter fabric encased trenches, and is absorbed
into the surrounding soil.
A good practice, given the free space, is to provide two leach fields.... alternating leach fields, every six months or so, through a
distribution/sample box located on the discharge outlet of the septic tank. This gives each half of the leach field a rest, in which small amounts of
solids can break down, restoring the field's "percolation" capacity. This also allows you to view, or "sample", the tank's outfall to insure that
there is no "sludge" passing into and fouling the leach fields. A tank must be pumped out, periodically, to avoid passing "semi-solids" into the
leach field. Septic tanks usually do not fail.... leach fields do, and must be replaced when their percolating capacities are compromised.
Leach fields should not be installed in areas with high water tables or in close proximety to wells.
Installing a grey water system (for irrigation), monthly influxes of yeast (drink more beer!), and avoiding grease, garbage (from disposers) and
chemicals will help insure a "healthier" septic tank environment and sustainable leach field.
The square footage of leach field required is based on the building discharge, and the "percolation" test (the timed rate of liquid absorbsion into
the soil at the leach field location). The tanks are sized based on the building sewage discharge. These formulas are published and are based on the
UPC's (Uniform Plumbing Code) requirements. I am in the process of (pending percolaton test results) designing a septic system for a new public
library now. Not the most glamorous of professions but, what the hey, your sh*t is my bread and butter!
A public restroom, generating huge amounts of waste and paper, will quickly overtax even the most generously sized septic system. In urban areas with
public sewers, I'd hazard to guess, the practice of not flushing the paper is an ingrained habit.
A couple of more fast tips (as I need to go take a crap now!  ). Provide a 3"
minimum waste (three toilets maximum) and 2" vent at each water closet. 2" and 3" horizontal waste lines should be installed with 2% fall
(approximately 1/4" per foot). A good idea is to surround all below grade waste piping, upsteam of the septic tank, with 6" of sand.
A trick is to intall the main trunk line in 4", as it only needs 1% fall (approximatley 1/8" per foot). The extra cost in material will be regained
in less excavation and backfill for the septic tank and leaching field.
The total amount of square inches of the cross-sectional dimenson of the building sewer must be provided at the vents through the roof. In other
words, if you have a 3" sewer (7.07 sq. inches) you need at least three 2" vents (3.14 sq. inches each) to provide adequate air flow for drainage.
Then again, my relative's house (in an undisclosed location) drains into what is little more than a sophisticated "55 gallon drum" setup.
There are no vents, and paper & tampons are flushed at will. It's been working great for years!! 
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Al G
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TP and culture
Bajaaddict.
Thanks, good info, but as I understand the standard(?) in Baja is two sand boxes and you change the sand in them?? Something to do with the aquifer??
Anyone know about this?
As for tp, if your system can handle it do as you please at home, but it would be nice to respect others culture. life is for living even the "gross"
parts.
Albert
[Edited on 7-26-2005 by Al G]
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Paulina
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"I'd hazard to guess, the practice of not flushing the paper is an ingrained habit."
Very true.
So, in my opinion as "Gringas", if we find ourselves in the U.S. and still contributing to the bin rather than the bowl, then we should be proud to
consider ourselves baja ingrained.
That could be a good thing, and not be all that bad.
Sometimes my daughter and I find ourselves accidently throwing it in the "other" can when we really don't need to. It must be another example of the
baja life ingrained...
Oh well, besides being TMI, life could be worse than discussing the politics of T.P.
We are just baja girls at heart y bano.
P.<*)))><
[Edited on 26-7-2005 by Paulina]
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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jrbaja
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Long as your not
sticking them to the wall Paulina, your still respected!
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Paulina
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Jr, you actually got a laugh out of me that time! Too funny!!!
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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Desertbull
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and while we are discussing the remnants of TP...I'll take this opportunity to remind you of your ex who had a problem with leaving some of the TP
behind...ROTFLMAO...photos are available..OMG that was too funny for me and LN....
LOL..good stuff to keep a person young!
DREAM IT! PLAN IT! LIVE IT!
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Paulina
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If you could post those photos I'd be ever so greatful. You'd be my K.I.S.A. Your post has given me the biggest smile yet!
lol: LN
and I had a laugh about that incident not too long ago... Way too funny. Find those photos!!! I'll even say the magic word...
P.<*)))><
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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MrBillM
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A Related Subject
While stumbling around on the Internet, I found the following website:
http://www.urinal.net
Advertised as the best place to pee (word changed by the moderator) away your time on the web.
They have photos of unusual urinals the world over. One such featured is the urinal at the Bar Mareno in Percebu.
http://www.urinal.net/moreno
That word change reminds me of something that occurred the other day. With the new movie release of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", my wife
wanted to rent the original with Gene Wilder and burn it on to a DVD for the Grandkids. While watching it, I noted that the spoiled English tot
referred to her father's female factory workers as "Twats"' Obviously, in years past that word's meaning has evolved, although it still refers to a
female. I guess profanity is in the eye of the beholder.
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Bruce R Leech
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I know a man on a ranch that saves the used T.P. and uses it for stuffing in his pillows. now that is recycling
Bruce R Leech
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jrbaja
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No you don't
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Bob and Susan
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Holy Cow MrBill...
that guy needs to find a DIFFERENT hobby....
it was educational though
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Oso
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Rest stops on I-8 between Yuma and Gila Bend have signs in English and Spanish instructing travelers to flush the paper. There are no wastebaskets in
the stalls. Yet piles of paper will accumulate in the corners anyway. Habits can be hard to break.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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MrBillM
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An interesting coincidence
Last night on the History channel's "Modern Marvels" segment, the subject was Bathroom Tech and covered the evolution of bathtubs, toilets, toilet
paper and dental hygiene. More than you ever wanted to know.
One interesting fact was that John Crapper did not have anything to do with the invention of the modern toilet, but was a businessman who put the
toilet into mass production. American soldiers during WWI, seeing his name on all public toilets, coined the phrase "going to the crapper".
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capn.sharky
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Okay, okay....here is one for Bob and Susan. Why and who invented the scented toilet paper. I have never understood why they have scented toilet
paper. I will scent it myself and it won't smell like flowers. Inquiring minds want to know.
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El Camote
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
One interesting fact was that John Crapper did not have anything to do with the invention of the modern toilet, but was a businessman who put the
toilet into mass production. American soldiers during WWI, seeing his name on all public toilets, coined the phrase "going to the crapper".
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This begs the question, were feces referred to as crap before Crapper came along? Chicken or the egg?
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wornout
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
Why and who invented the scented toilet paper. I have never understood why they have scented toilet paper. I will scent it myself and it won't smell
like flowers. Inquiring minds want to know. |
Toilet paper was invented by John W. Scent. He never received credit for his discovery until lately. Once the truth came out, someone decided to
pour perfume on TP and thus you have scented paper.
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