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beercan
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friends are different.
Most people count as friends those who are actually not.
Aquaintances are only that. Can you ask them for help and will they do it without question???
Guess I am like Mr Bill--plenty of reading but only about 2 hands of "real friends".
Try counting yours !!!
I told my family that I want "he was a Dad" on my tombstone!
[Edited on 10-2-2005 by beercan]
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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jrbaja
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Right on Beercan
Friendship takes years of practice, disagreements, shared times and knowing each others families and lives.
Friendship by no means comes from a faceless chatroom full of rumors, gossip, select "groups", great pictures and some real Baja information
occasionally.
But, if you are in the market for new friends, I suppose it's a good place to start. Personally, our friends list is already all booked up. But it
is usually enjoyable to make new acquaintances.
Especially since down here, the majority of folks are on vacation from whatever. This means they are either happy, drunk, or usually both.
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bajaden
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Just so I'm not misunderstood. I was not refering to people on this board. I do not rule out the possibility that some could become friends, but Im
refering to people who have become my friends through out my life.
Im sorry if your list is already full Jr. I wasn't applying, but I would hate to think the glass is full for you. I'm not looking for new friends Jr,
but I'm sure I'll find a few more in my life. In the meantime, You'll have to do......
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Dave
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Friends and mixed messages
Judging from how many "Mi casa es su casa" signs I see, you would think that Baja is one very friendly place.
However, most of these homes are built in walled/gated communities and have bars on the windows along with signs saying "beware of dog".
These home owners then complain when total strangers break in and help themselves.
Go figure.
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jrbaja
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Me too Den
And I certainly don't rule out new friends either. But, if you lived in a resort community you would understand how easy it would be for us to make
new friends constantly.
These are not the kind of friends we are looking for.
And we have many that are already established. These are the kind we enjoy the most. We still have fun with or without drinking being involved.
From what I've seen lately, this new breed is all about becoming as drunk as can be as fast as can be. Every day.
We stopped spending much time in Mulege about 1990 for the same reason. And don't get me wrong, I like a good A?ejo buzz as much as anyone, just
not every single day.
We got old!
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jrbaja
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And now
after hijacking a Baja related thread with boring non Baja related junk like friendships, let's get back to something interesting like who reads or
has the most Baja books.
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Sharksbaja
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Yeah, it's amazing how some interpret socializing on a surface level. I have many many acquaintances that come and go. I find it very odd that some
customers will approach me in a visit years later and remind me of the great time they had with us dining 4 years ago only I can't remember their 1
hour visit. No offense but we try to make ALL our customers feel like family. When they are there. Some actually get miffed if I can't recall their
name tho I only, possibly, heard it 4 yrs ago. Silly tourists. Gotta love em. The real reason they come though is for the food...........and
booze!
Just like food, alcohol can be all too consuming. I have lost my best friend to alc and he's still alive. Speaking from experience I have to agree
with JR,
the drug is hard on you and as age rears up so does the downside of heavy drinking.
Lots of tongue-in-cheek inuendo regarding this topic. Unfortunately what plays out after repetitive toasting of glasses may become detrimental in
more ways than one.
Don't get me wrong tho, copping a buzz(one way or another) is mans' god given right. Some (buzzes) just come in bottles with an RX or a fancy label.
However hangin' with good folks sharing common ground together can be a good buzz too. Same with fishin', a great common denominator.
Moderation(but not at fishin') is the way!
[Edited on 10-2-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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Sharksbaja
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Sorry Lera, I don't know how I arrived here at this point. I always blame it
on Den, it works fer me, THATS' what friends(oops I meant acquaintances are for
[Edited on 10-2-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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jrbaja
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Comi
Use your psych. experience and try to see that that was supposed to be funny. I thought it was cool that the two of them were being civil to each
other.
And, I have to make an amendment, someone I have learned to respect and consider one of my best friends was made through this board. (Spending 10 days
exploring the best hotels and hot spots on the Pacific side of Baja as well as some mountain mansions thrown in will definitely either speed the
process of friendship up or make for a miserable time!) I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky in this case.
He also gives "sense of humor" lessons, just in case Comi or anyone else was looking.
But, he's wierd!
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MrBillM
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Missing Out
Bajaden, I don't think I've really missed out on anything in life, except for things which would have taken more money or effort than I was willing to
expend. I've certainly had as many friends as I ever wished and some I might not have wished for.
Awhile back, I came across this essay by a blogger on friendship that reflects a lot of how I think on the subject.
Friendship
by Pieter J. Friedrich
8/5/03
Everyone calls himself a friend, but only a fool relies on it: nothing is commoner than the name, nothing rarer than the thing.--Jean de La Fontaine
I cannot count the times people I hardly know have referred to me as a "friend," or have written to me and signed their letters "your friend," or done
some such thing. I have come to believe that, second only to "love," "friend" is the most misused word in the English language.
It is not my wish to offend or to hurt anyone who has, in the past, called himself my "friend," but merely to set them straight. There are a good many
upstanding people...people whom I admire...who have called themselves "friends." Most of these are people who I enjoy spending time with and
conversing with, but they are not friends. These people must learn to distinguish between "friendliness" and "friendship."
Whenever I tell someone that I have only a handful of friends, they're not entirely sure how to respond. The proper response would be hearty
congratulations, for I have taken the advice of George Washington, who said, "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well
tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow growth, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before
it is entitled to the appellation."
The word "friend" is one that is slung around often in this world, but very few people seem to know what it actually means. "Friend" is not a word to
play fast and loose with, nor is it a term to be hastily applied to a person you happen to be acquainted with. "Friend" is a word to be used
carefully, because "friends" are to be chosen very carefully.
"What is a friend?" ask Aristotle. He answers, "A single soul dwelling in two bodies." Your average acquaintance, however close and however
interesting, does not share your soul. (A note here: when Aristotle uses the word "soul," I take it to mean shared natures, emotions, and affections,
rather than the immortal soul.)
"A true friend," said British minister Robert South, "is the gift of God, and He only who made hearts can unite them!" Friends are rare, and one may
live many years without finding even one true friend. Henry Home said, "The difficulty is not so great to die for a friend, as to find a friend worth
dying for." I count myself rich because I have found even one true friend worth dying for.
A true friend is more than just an interesting person to speak with for an hour or two so as to pass the time. Rather, a friend is someone to depend
on, someone to lean on, someone who is (almost) necessary for life. In Ecclesiastes 4:9-12, we are told, "Two are better than one; because they have a
good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another
to help him up. Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand
him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken."
Real friendship is lasting. I know people who have spoken of their "school friends" who they forgot about when they graduated and began college or a
career. These people were not real friends. "A friend loveth at all times," we are told in Proverbs 17:17a, and Saint Jerome said that, "The
friendship that can cease has never been real."
Friends argue, friends offer correction, friends are even sometimes (wrongly) angry at each other...and these things are all natural and to be
expected in a real friendship. The philosopher Hume said, "Truth springs from argument amongst friends." Indeed, argument is a positive facet of true
friendship (Pro. 27:17) and correction from a friend is something to thank God for (Pro. 27:6a). And as Christians, friends can and must always
forgive one another. C.S. Lewis writes, "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you."
Though friendship with unbelievers and evil people is discouraged (I Cor. 15:33), true friends are open with each other, and overlook one another's
faults. Thoreau wrote, "True friendship can afford true knowledge. It does not depend on darkness and ignorance." Elbert Hubbard said, "Your friend is
the man who knows all about you, and still likes you."
I said "overlook" but that's probably not the correct word. Rather, I should say "forgive." Moliere tells us, "The more we love our friends, the less
we flatter them; it is by excusing nothing that pure love shows itself."
I said friends are open with one another. Writer George Eliot said it more eloquently than I ever could when she wrote, "Oh, the inexpressible comfort
of feeling safe with a person; having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words, but to pour them all out, just as they are, chaff and grain
together, knowing that a faithful hand will take and sift them, keep what is worth keeping, and then, with the breath of kindness, blow the rest
away."
It has been over a year-and-a-half since I made a new friend, and I am not only content with that, but happy for it. Old friends are the best. Thomas
Jefferson wrote, "I find friendship to be like wine, raw when new, ripened with age, the true old man's milk and restorative cordial."
Walt Whitman spoke gospel truth when he said, "I no doubt deserved my enemies, but I don't believe I deserved my friends."
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jrbaja
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Mr. Gun totin Bill,
Anyone shot by you would truly deserve it!!!!! Bad people do not read things like that. That is awesome and you have my utmost respect for posting
that and obviously believing in it.
Mr. Comi, protector of Baja boards, give me an example of where you see me doing whatever you are saying. I'm not sure about what you are talking
about???
But, for as many times as I see you chime in regarding this, it should be very easy for you to find an example, rather than change the subject, call
names, tell me about how I have messed up San Bartolo, or any of the other nonsense you come up with rather than providing examples of my ????.
What a fun friggen thread! Thanks again Lera
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FrankO
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It's great to see that this thread has gotten to the really important stuff. Like, what does JR think. Thank you.
Union thug.
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jrbaja
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J.R. thinks
that if it weren't for insecure, lifeless clowns chiming in without any point of view on anything besides worrying about what I think and say, there
would be some pretty good conversations on here.
But heck darn, that would be asking for way too much from a chat room, wouldn't it?
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comitan
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JR
There you go again talking to your self. I say louder I can hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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jrbaja
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I had to go back and reread
to realize you had deleted your usual idiotic accusations rather than backing up what you have to say. What a surprise.
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comitan
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JR.
Its like this, if I don't bother with you, you will make your own destiny.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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jrbaja
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Although you can be
somewhat of a bother, that's about it. Nothing compared to the bobos and sancudos in the hills .
But, back on topic, how many books are in your library of Baja knowledge?
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