MexicoTed
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Helping Baja's missions on Baja Talk Radio
Hey Nomads,
This Tuesday (Nov. 15th) our show will be all about Baja California's missions and what we can all do to try to save some of them. Zella Ibanez of the
CAREM organization will be our guest. We'll also speak about Tecate.
You can also email me any questions for our guest.
http://www.worldtalkradio.com/show.asp?sid=126
Hope you will listen,
Ted
[Edited on 11-18-2005 by MexicoTed]
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David K
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Good guest Ted... I have spoken with Zella on the phone as well as emails. I think she will get more done to save the Baja missions then INAH!
Zella was very supportive of the 'Baja Nomad' attempt to help Mision Santa Maria last July, and equally disappointed when INAH stopped us less than 24
hours before we left here, after months of INAH's encouraging emails and support of the drain installation.
Tell her I am looking forward to meeting her and discussing volunteer support to save the FIRST California missions!
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MexicoTed
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David, you are right Zella is very concerned with saving the missions and her group CAREM is almost all volunteer. She can always use help.
She has good contacts with INAH, but they are a government organization and we all know how things can bogg down and even stop!
Just a side note, she is the owner of Rancho Ojai in Tecate which is a great campground with cabins also.
Ted
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Ted
Brenda says thanks for assisting in the Santa Rosalia
"Toys for Tots" Program....
http://www.santarosaliacasitas.com/toysfortots/ToysForTots.h...
Toys are already "driving in"
THANKS TO ALL!!!
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David K
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Listened to the show last night...
The reason there are two mission sites in El Rosario is because the spring dried up at the first site (along/ a block from Mex. 1 in El Rosario
Arriba). The second site was closer to the river, in El Rosario Abajo... See http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions for details and photos.
The missions in the state of Baja California, (in order of their founding dates) are:
Santa Gertrudis
San Borja
Santa Maria de los Angeles (2 sites, the first was at Calamajue)
San Fernando
El Rosario (2 sites)
Santo Domingo (2 sites)
San Vicente
San Miguel (2 sites)
Santo Tomas (2 sites)
San Pedro Martir (2 sites)
Santa Catalina
Descanso (some consider this as a 3rd site for San Miguel)
Guadalupe del Norte (some consider this as a 4th site for San Miguel)
[Edited on 11-17-2005 by David K]
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Barry A.
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David------2 sites for San Pedro Martir???
Is there any way you can describe the second site location? There is only one site, I believe, that I can identify on my maps-----along Arroyo El
Horno. This site is also ID'ed in the Baja Atlas topo map book. Donde es the other one?
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Jack Swords
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Barry,
Google "Ruins of Casilepe" and select the one for Vol 33, # 3. A Pdf file on the work of John W. Foster and Julia B. Patterson. This is the original
site of SPM. Let us know what you think. (Sorry David, couldn't resist!)
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David K
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That's okay Jack!
Barry, the first site at Casilepe (La Grulla) was too cold for the padres (at 7,000'+), so down the hill they went to the 5,000' location shown on the
maps... and that Jack backpacked to in '04 (with some other Nomads like Pappy, Taco de Baja, and Mexitron)
Here are those other Nomads (with Huddo) just after they came down from San Pedro Martir...
Their route to the mission (Baja's most difficult to reach) is shown with the photos of the mission site at: http://www.vivabaja.com/bajamissions/page12.html (it explains the other site as well.)
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Barry A.
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La Grulla----------
Wow, I wish I had known that in about l954 when I spent 3 days camped out at La Grulla. We saw no signs of any development, as I recall. La Grulla is
one of the most beautiful places in all of Baja------a wonderful, huge meadow, surrounded by monster granite boulders and pine trees. Very similar to
Luguna Hansen, but much bigger, as I remember.
Thanks to both Jack and David. I will check out that site you gave, Jack, and let you know what my reaction is.
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David K
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They found dozens of rock piers that the wooden structure must have been built upon, plus tiles and other artifacts and that was what gave them the
idea they had found the first site of SP Martir...
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La Grulla
But there is no evidence that the stone foundations were from the mission. It was more common to drive stakes/poles into the ground when constructing
temporary wooden structures, rather than a foundation on which to build.
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