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Nice stone vessels and matates at San Borja
Jose, who is one of the caretakers at Mision San Borja, has been very industrious and is making volcanic metates, along with manos and hammerheads.
They look just like the ancient ones. He is also carving large stone planters (I think it's a type of calcium carbonate aggregate) (or vessel). They
are for sale (didn't ask how much), and would be awesome in a patio with a southwest theme. His work is excellent.
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David K
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Jose and family... good people!
Photo taken in July, 2003.
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Here's Jose on the roof of the mission in April, 2001.
Unless this has improved, Jose was locked out of the mission by a new preist in Guerrero Negro who banished Jose and family from the mission simply
because they are not Catholic.
Wilderone, is Jose again allowed to show the mission? That would be great news, as he lives there!
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Jesuit ?
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The mission was founded by the Jesuit order, yes... The stone church and associated buildings (that Jose is on the roof of) were built by the
Dominicans.
Jose is a Christian, just not Roman Catholic... quite a shame as it is still the same God. Now, unless Catholic appointed Theodoro or another is
there, the mission doors are locked.
Here is Theodoro and his dog who was recently bit by a rattler at San Borja...
[Edited on 12-6-2005 by David K]
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S Borja
What happen with " can we all get alone ! "
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Jose was locked out of the mission by a new preist in Guerrero Negro who banished Jose and family from the mission simply because they are not
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Such evil deeds could religion prompt.
Lucretius
It is a fine thing to establish one's own religion in one's heart, not to be dependent on tradition and second-hand ideals. Life will seem to you,
later, not a lesser, but a greater thing.
D. H. Lawrence
[Edited on 11/12/2005 by bugdude]
A man\'s reach should exceed his grasp - or what\'s a heaven for?
Robert Browning
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I don't know the current status on Jose and his family being able to show the inside of the mission. There is plenty to see from outside the fence
though. It looks like there are some new renovations to the OLD adobe mission ruins going on. I think it's always a great side trip regardless of
being able to go inside the mission. You can walk around the cemetery, and the old stone walls go for a long way. The old grape plants are still
there; the birding is great; they have nice palapas with fire rings; a well with good water; the friendly family to visit with.
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Wilderone,
did you check out the hot(rather warm than hot) springs?
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The time I was there before this trip (March 05), I stayed 2 nights and went to the warm pools. I was with someone who had not been to Montevideo, so
we did that too. If they'd let me tend the goats or something, I could stay there indefinitely - I love it.
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I am planning to stop by San Borja on monday, for the night, going down to Loreto area. Where are those warm springs, and what else is there to see
around the mission? Can one go inside of it?
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The warm springs are on the premises at the far end of their fields. It's their private property, but if you ask about them, someone will take you
there. If the people working on the mission renovation are there, they may be able to take you inside, otherwise, you can just see the outside which
is impressive in itself. If you're interested in seeing the pictographs, someone from the family will be your guide to take you there in your vehicle
- it's about 10 miles away. There's a little climbing to get to some of the caves - but certainly doable. If you're interested in birds, it's
awesome. And you can hike over by the cemetary area and keep going into a canyon in that general direction - there's a trail.
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If you do get inside you will see these stairs.
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Bedman has some great photos of the mission (inside and out) beginning at http://vivabaja.com/bedman2/page6.html
Here's one of them...
[Edited on 12-23-2005 by David K]
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San Borja Family
Has anybody have an idea of what to bring as a gift to this family, maybe the age of jose's kids. maybe teenagers at this time., any 411 in the matter
is welcome.. thanks
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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San Borja
This is one of our favorite places to visit. The two photogrpahs I've posted are from a May 2002 trip. The first is one of the sons, playing cards
with one of our guys. We left the playing cards and the kids were quite happy. By now the cards may be a tad worn??
We gave the older boy (20+?)a pocket-knife as his birthday was coming up soon as I recall, he was very appreciative.
The cemetary is quite historic (if it's the original - and we believe it is). Father Fermin Francisco De Lasuen, as the Franciscans were leaving Baja
for Alta California, described the cemetary in a letter as "new and very spacious, enclosed with walls of adobe, with a door and a wooden cross above
it, and in the center a cross of carved stone."
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Second photograph
This is a photograph of the ruins of the adobe church and attending buildings, also taken in 2002.
As Fr. de Lasuen was departing he had to inventory everything. He described the adobe church [now in a somewhat protected state] as: "First, a new
adobe church, and entire thirty-three varas [one vara is close to 33 inches] in length, eight in width, and five and a half in height. The walls are
two varas wide, with five windows, their arched upper portions being of carved wood." Lasuen's description of additional buildings at the site
continues for 5 additional paragraphs. You can see that the restoration has a long road ahead.
John M.
[Edited on 3-12-2006 by John M]
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Jose and family have an English "menu" of services they can offer, and if you speak just a little Spanish, you can arrange just about any kind of a
trip or destination you can think of. A few years ago we arranged for Jose and his oldest son to take us mulebacking over a branch of the El Camino
Real to a waterhole named San Aguage, east of San Gregerio.
Highly recommended family.
Gifts: Think of the things your grandmother/grandfather used to have around the house. Sewing stuff, kitchen stuff, handtools, food, teenage kid
stuff, flashlights with lots of batteries, ....
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BAJACAT
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Thank you john, I will be there if everything goes well, on the 7 of april.I won't think I will need the menu since my firts language is spanish, but
never the less thank you for the input.Now you give in me an idea of what to bring for Jose's family.. nice pics. and will try to make time to go the
muletrip to the aguaje near san gregorio.. thanks again. John.
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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BAJACAT,
Make sure you hike up a canyon a few tenths of a mile to old Rancho San Gregorio if you have not seen it. A great site, old adobe, fruit trees, water
(piped down to the bottom for use by cattle and the sometimes people at the "line shack" building at the bottom of the mountain.)
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