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Bruce R Leech
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Big problems with boat permits
Has any one gotten a Boat permit since the 1st of the year in B.C.S.? if so were you required to have temporary importation papers?
this is something new they are asking for here in our aria. but they cant tell you where to get them or how.
I haven't been able to get any Boat permits for any of my customers since the 1st.
they now also require a current registration and proof of owner ship and a photo I.D.
this is going to be a real problem for a lot of people .
I'm hoping fly fishing Pam or some one will have some input on this subject.
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Boat permits
Every time this comes up I think about Gene Hackman in French Connection where he asks everybody "did you ever pick your feet in Pokipsy?" The rules
in Ensenada are different from those in Santa Rosalia (form time to time, from official to official) but. The rules that exist in Mexico are these.
1. You need a Mexican fishing license to fish in a boat.
2. You need a boat permit to use the boat in Mexico.
On the boat permit, MEXICO may ask you for photos, proof that it is your boat. Do you do less in Idaho? Best I can do for JR's ghost is to shine a
light on all the whiners he left behind. Follow the old rules, when they make new rules, follow them. Isn't that what you did in the States?
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Bruce R Leech
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Osprey the point here is that they are now asking for temp. importation of your boat before you can get the permit.
have you checked up their since the first of the year? if so let me know what the new regs are there.
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Its all the same except for the temporary importation permit. Evry year they ask for the same things you listed above. Isnt the Temp Imp. permit for
going to mainland mexico?
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Bruce R Leech
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Iguess not anymore you need it now for boats in Baja Ca. Sur. I dont now about B.C.N.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Frank
Its all the same except for the temporary importation permit. Evry year they ask for the same things you listed above. Isnt the Temp Imp. permit for
going to mainland mexico? |
No. Most any boat that enters Mexico by water, or stays in a Marina will need the Temporary Importation Permit, to be applied for at the port of
entry. Because trailer boats frequently do not enter the water at locations where a Port Captain is available, they have been "spared" this
requirement. Sounds like that may be changing, but the requirement has always been there. If you use a foreign boat in Mexico you must have a
Temporary Importation Permit.
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Sounds like some things they require
for charter boats is now being required for private vessels. I haven't heard some of these requirement of private boats in Loreto...YET! But hey
when registering a vehicle why wouldn't you have photo ID and paperwork (title/factura/reciept) and permits anyway? The Mex fishing permit for the
boat has always been required and is usually where the bottleneck in paperwork happens.
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Bruce R Leech
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Pam you sell permits down there, are you having the same problems I am?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
The rules that exist in Mexico are these.
1. You need a Mexican fishing license to fish in a boat.
2. You need a boat permit to use the boat in Mexico.
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To clarify, you only need the boat permit if you are using it for fishing. Correct?
One person reported Marina Real in San Carlos on the Mainland is now allowing boats w/o the 10 year TIP since they removed the requirement in December
for vehicle permits for travel in Sonora down to Guaymas.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
No. Most any boat that enters Mexico by water, or stays in a Marina will need the Temporary Importation Permit, to be applied for at the port of
entry. Because trailer boats frequently do not enter the water at locations where a Port Captain is available, they have been "spared" this
requirement. Sounds like that may be changing, but the requirement has always been there. If you use a foreign boat in Mexico you must have a
Temporary Importation Permit. |
Not so fast my friend. Most of the trailerable boat in San Carlos on the mainland don't have 10 TIPs. In the past they obtained a temporary import
permit as part of the Sonora Only program (one time use, up to 6 months). Now that it is a free transit zone down to Guaymas, people aren't getting
any import permits. At least one marina is telling people that it is not required.
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| Quote: | | At least one marina is telling people that it is not required. |
That's interesting, because marine regulations say you must have a TIP when entering a port of call in Mexico. I know that, up until recently, San
Carlos was enforcing this if you used the marina. That may have changed in terms of local enforcement, however.
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Bruce R Leech
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where do you get a TIP
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
where do you get a TIP |
Port Captain for you area.
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Also available
at land-based ports of entry on the mainland, like k-21 below Nogales.
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At places like San Carlos and LA PAZ, the marina will do all the leg work for you, for a small fee. Or in Guaymas you can go directly to Aduana
yourself.
At k21, I belive it is processed through the Banjercito office. That is definitely the fastest way. You receive the TIP immediately.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
where do you get a TIP |
Port Captain for you area. |
he never herd of it .
that is Mulege
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I just got my fishing/boat permits from the Vags' and when I asked about TIP's they said that TIP's are needed on the mainland (south of the free
zone) but not in Baja.
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Bruce R Leech
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from what I'm finding out this seems to affect only B.C.S. all is normal in B.C. north.
My guess is that this is a mistake made by the office in La Paz and hopefully it will get straitened out in the next few weeks.
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I can only speak to the area in which we are - Cabo San Lucas proper - and offer these very unofficial comments: In CSL there are many visitors that
come to port and 'set up shop' even tho they sign a marina slip rental agreement stating they are in port for recreational purposes only. Some of
these (need a word here that is clean but appropriate) even have websites for business and operate without required documentation/licensing/etc etc -
which also means no taxes for revenue .... Once again, enforcement of the rules, requirements and laws is and will always be the toughie - and this
is true all over not just here.
So perhaps making certain requirements across the board, and requiring that which was previously un-necessary, now necessary, is in means to eliminate
and crackdown in some way of those that innocently come to fish, and then begin decide to easily slip into a full blown business without ...
Hard as it is to comprehend, many (far to many?) still come believing they can do what they want, how they want, as they want - and perhaps in some
cases, and in some areas and arenas, they can ... I want to believe that even in Mexico, even in BCS, rules, following of the laws for business
operation, and enforcement of them, is for everyone. The double edge sword of this tho, in my very humble opinion, is that with this comes the
explosive development of areas into a city/region that mirrors many USA cities which many amigos say they are getting away from .. to this I can only
say that we do what we can and suggest a balance can exist .. and hope others can find ways to do so as well. Respect the waters, respect the land
and respect and enforce limits. We do.
Bruce I respectfully offer only the suggestion that whatever office of whatever agency you or anyone go to, accept that if you are in 'their
jursdiction' and 'they' are requiring all paperwork be completed in pink ink, find some pink-ink pens and do so .... since your area may not be one
that has the aforementioned blatant disregard, perhaps the details of the new rules have not yet reached your areas officials or their 'soldiers',
only that new rules are in place and are to be followed, yet no one is quite sure what they are exactly, or, how or what to enforce - yet ....
Wishing you, and all well amigos and amigas ... Lori Garcia
P.S. on edit - part of the ID process is to stop/curb what used to occur with cars being stolen and brought across the USA border ...
[Edited on 1-14-2006 by CaboMagic]
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Bruce & fellow sailors & boaters:
I don't know if this gives you any additional help for what to do with a boat already in Mulege.... but the Lattitute 38 "Lectronic Lattitudes"
BaHaHa page provides a good general overview for those sailing into MX., and might offer some  It is a good general info site:
http://www.baja-haha.com/Guide/index.html
Here is the bit that includes TIP (temporaty importation permit). I apologize in advance if you've already read this...
Good luck! I will be trailering my sailboat down one day, so I'm interested in how this works out for you... please keep my posted.
djh
The New Clearing Rules in Mexico
If this will be your first time cruising in Mexico, you have no idea how lucky you are that the rules for 'domestic clearing' have changed. In the bad
old days - meaning before April 19, 2005 - it took a lot of time and money to clear out of one port captain's district and into another port captain's
district. It involved going to the Port Captain, Immigration, Aduana (Customs) sometimes, to a bank, and back to the port captain. If the port captain
required you to use a ship's agent, it could cost you over $100, and take all day. And then you'd have to do it all over again at the next port - even
if it was only 10 miles away. It was a tremendous waste of cruiser time and money, and much disliked.
Clearing in and out of Mexico Today. The procedure for clearing into your first port of entry in Mexico is the same as it's always been. You visit the
Port Captain to get papers clearing your boat into the country. Then you visit Immigration to get a tourist card / visa for each member of your crew.
Finally, you visit Aduana to get your boat's 10-Year Temporary Import Permit. You have not cleared in until you've gotten all these papers. If you
want, you can hire a ship's agent to do the paperwork for you. Expect that it will take all day or even overnight, and it can't be done on weekends or
holidays.
BTW:Mexican Ports of Entry
Ensenada, Baja
Cabo San Lucas, Baja
Cedros, Baja
San Carlos, Baja
Loreto, Baja
Santa Rosalia, Baja
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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