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Fireworks in S.F.
Next weekend I'll be traveling thru Mexicalli to San Felipe with a group of 11 year old Pyrotechnique specialists. Any suggestions on places to
purchase fireworks either in town or along the way?
Thanks
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David K
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Before reaching the long curve where the highway bends east into town, there is a well signed fireworks sales place, on the left. In town, we go to
one of the curio shops on the main drag where the owner will take us into the 'back room' for fireworks... as the new town jefe doesn't like them
being sold in town, we were told.
As your 'experts' are so young, do realize these fireworks are made in Mexico or Communist China and are NOT the 'safe and sane' fireworks sold in
some U.S. areas.
[Edited on 11-1-2003 by David K]
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fireworks
very very careful. I've seen so many incidents that we don't even get them anymore.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
It is illegal (and ill advised) to discharge fireworks within 100 meters of a structure.
Be careful and have fun.
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It is illegal ANYWHERE without proper permits. Rarely enforced, except by me.
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Save your money
and just show up at Camp Gecko at BOLA on New Year! A certain someone, (who shall remain 'nameless', well, some of us call him 'names' on occasion
 ) puts on a better show than most small towns in the States 
I'm with Dave and the others! Please be CAREFUL! Those Mexican fireworks don't always go where there are supposed to. 
[Edited on 11-2-2003 by Debra]
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DAVE
Thank you for the clarification!! I like that law better!!! In our little 'hood' we have had several house fires over the years and fireworks are NOT
allowed. It's safer that way.
IMHO
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fireworks
just before town theres a moble home on the east side and they have the best selection that i've ever seen. they allso give you the mexico permits
allowing you to have them under a cetain amount of kilos. they have the morters that they fire of the piers around here on the4th of july and rockets
that would blow your mind. for those of you who no me i dont go light on the types of fireworks i buy, only the best.
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Listen to 4Baja, he speaks the truth! He put on quite a show on July 4th, at Camp Gecko (Bahia de los Angeles). He is talking about the same place I
described, above.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4baja
they allso give you the mexico permits allowing you to have them under a cetain amount of kilos. |
Very funny. They are probably copies of the permits THEY need to sell them. I don't know of any business that can issue permits, only government
entities. In any event even if you could get permits to HAVE them, discharging them is another issue. I would love to see a copy of this "permit".
I will type up an official looking permit for you, good anywhere in Mexico.
" The bearer is entitled to have and discharge these fireworks. Just as long as I don't hear them."
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That's funny and probably true, Dave! I wonder if the places that rent ATVs on the beach have simular permits allowing beach riding!!! Have a great
day...
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Be very very careful with Mexican fire works
... I've seen fingers burned and blown off more than twice in Baja! Fast fuses on some of these...
Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That's funny and probably true, Dave! I wonder if the places that rent ATVs on the beach have simular permits allowing beach riding!!! Have a great
day... |
This sounds like the making of another thread. Care to joust? Wait....haven't we done this before?
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Winner of the joust buys the pastrami sandwich?
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the permit looked official and was not a copy, next time i'm down that way i'll get another permit and send it to anyone who has doughts. i don't
really care as i buy them regardless and i know that the kids really enjoy them and so do i. as for rideing quads on the beach well dave you know my
position on that and it only becomes a issue when the americans move down to the beaches and throw there american issues out there and try to close
the beaches down to moterized vehicals. any holiday you see the locals down there rideing whatever they own and i'm fine with that . its there country
not ours. hope to see you over the holidays david k as we'll be there thanks giving and xmas.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 4baja
i don't really care as i buy them regardless...
[Do you take this position regarding any law you happen not to agree with or just fireworks discharge and operating vehicles on the beach? Prisons are
full of people (especially gringos in Mexican prisons)who treat laws as suggestions rather than rules.]
...... as for rideing quads on the beach....... it only becomes a issue when the americans move down to the beaches and throw there american issues
out there and try to close the beaches down to moterized vehicals.
[Wrong. I know Mexicans who are just as adamantly opposed to this as SOME gringos are.]
......any holiday you see the locals down there rideing whatever they own and i'm fine with that . its there country not ours......
[ Right, and its THEIR law. The fact that the locals (nationals) disrespect it doesn't give you or I license to do the same, especially since if
caught a Mexican would probably NOT face the same penalty (vehicle confiscation) that a gringo would. I have witnessed this happening.]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Winner of the joust buys the pastrami sandwich? |
OK fire away, except the loser buys the beer at TJ brewery. Win or lose I have already bought pastrami. My job is to SELL it.
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Wrecks n Burned body parts
Before this turns into an argument, Anonymous and 4Baja. It is about safety. In my eight years of living on this beach, I have seen the worst
fireworks accidents happen to non drunk people. Because of the fireworks.
As far as the ATV's/ATC's, I have 2. And I don't race them anymore but I certainly used to. And, I have wrecked many times. I have been lucky as far
as damages. On the other hand, I have seen 2 people run over on our beach, 3 go off the bluff, one landing on someone on the beach, 2 dogs get run
over which sent the riders flying, and countless other accidents in other areas.
All the above are very fun things to do. But, if you look at the averages of accidents caused by both from experience, you begin to think twice
about exposing your children to these things.
And, one of my favorite things to do is ride on a remote beach somewhere. The key is, remote.
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As a lic. professional Pyro I can state with confidence that there is a safe way to do it and an unsafe way to do it.
Our motto is an accident will happen but if you are prepared for it no personal or property losses will occur.
Make it a priority to learn safety and follow it strickly.
Just because there are a bunch of idiots out there dosen't mean we all have to be penalized.
As for driving on our section of beach (turtles nest here). If you are Mexican I feel I don't have a right to enforce the law, it's up to your peers.
But if you are a foreigner you will get a warning and then likely find yourself with flat tires if you try it again.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Beach Driving:
IMHO, OKAY IF: Deserted beach, not near any towns, no turtle eggs, done for years, why not? In other words, what is the no beach driving law for?:
protecting people and animals from vehicles, right? If there are no people or animals, then no reason not to drive on beach (to reach fishing spot,
camp site, shell collecting... no wait shell collecting is illegal also)!
What else is there to live for if we can't drive on deserted beaches?  
[We can argue intent until the cows come home. I suspect it is more about paranoia over invasion and military superiority than safety. In any case it
is the LAW. When people use intent as an excuse for disregarding law anarchy is the result.]
Fireworks: I don't know... they are fun and dangerous (part of the fun)... I can live without them... But, really enjoyed them as a kid, as mine do...
traditions are hard to change. Fireworks of any kind are not allowed in San Diego County, so it is a thrill to be able to play with them in Mexico...
[And why are there laws against fireworks in SD County? Do you think the ecosystem magically changes when you cross the border? For one who professes
a love for Baja your statement "it is a thrill to play with them in Mexico is irresponsible.]
Is Mexico really better adopting all the U.S. rules, or staying different and thus attractive to a certain group of vacationers who go to Mexico
becaue it is more like America was 40 years ago... Before lawyers caused us to lose all personal responsibilty for our own actions and to blame/ sue
everyone else...
[Mexico already has adopted most of the rules you disagree with. The "certain group of vacationers" you defend are either unaware, don't care or both.
They treat Mexico as their personal "Sin City".
Lawyers are not responsible for "loss of personal responsibility". WE are.]
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A final comment on deserted beaches:
Your riding your ATV and my strolling peacefully on them is NOT compatible. My right to do so is protected by law, yours is not. Your position is
indefensible. I'm ready for that beer now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajabus
But if you are a foreigner you will get a warning and then likely find yourself with flat tires if you try it again. |
How do you get them to stop long enough? You must be one hell of a shot!
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