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elizabeth
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I just checked both editions of the field guide that I have. The old one didn't have the seeds, but the latest one does. Roberts says they are
Rhynchosia pyramidalis...vine like low shrub. I'm wondering if there aren't different species of the plant that have red and black seeds??? The
latin names should not be so different...who's a botanist around here?
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Well, Craig, if there is someone else wearing those seeds as necklace, I'm glad it's my friend Barbi. Guess I'll have to look for my own.   
My friend has a coral tree and the seeds do not have that black on them... a tiny dot on some of the seeds, and seeds themselves are not as polished
in appearance. I think Elizabeth's got it right.
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Rhynchosia pyramidalis
Correct!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon
Frizkie looked them up in her Plants of Baja California book by Roberts and it said they were called Negritos or Oja de Pajarito .
Roberts said they came from a vine.When I got home to look it up again in my copy of his book I couldn't find them in the book. I have a first edition
and was wondering if they only appeared in a later addition. |
Page 191 of the field guide. They are legumes.
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Check out this photo of a seed pod from a carrotwood tree
http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/carrotwood.jpg
Cupaniopsis anacardioides
Those little red and black seeds come three to a pod. These are identical to the ones in the first photo on this thread.
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Bob H
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And yet another photo...
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/images/54262553
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I have germinated hundreds, but they are very finicky and take from 6 months to a year to pop. Those suckers are hard and love the heat. They probably
pop faster in the desert, but in SD it takes summer temps.
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i don't think i'll get 6-12 months of 80 degree heat at the beach!!! i'll give it another month before i start. BTW, should i remove the husks??? or
will they be viable right off the vine???
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bob h may be correct....
where's the correct answer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
I just checked both editions of the field guide that I have. The old one didn't have the seeds, but the latest one does. Roberts says they are
Rhynchosia pyramidalis...vine like low shrub. I'm wondering if there aren't different species of the plant that have red and black seeds??? The
latin names should not be so different...who's a botanist around here? |
I think now that these are the seeds from Rhynchosia pyramidalis - they are sooooo similar looking to the carrotwood tree seeds. Here's a great photo
I found... of five of these seed from the R. pyradidalis...
http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?i=other/rhynchos...
There are also other species of the Rhynchosia that also have similar seeds.
Bob H
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This link should bring you up to item #6
http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0901.htm#coral
The first photo has a bunch of seeds and the seeds that Barb and I found look like either E F or H
Read on to item #7 and you can read about Abrus Precatorius
and the photo there is what they really look like.
Just don't eat them if you should find them and keep them away from kids.
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The stem of the seeds in the first photo is attached to the red part so I think we can settle it that way. Wow, what an interesting thread.
Bob H
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Woody,
Yea, remove the husks. Usually the rats in the desert eat the husks and leave the nut. You must have gotten fresh seed from the ground or picked
them off a tree?
Last year was a banner year for palm seeds because of all the rain in Northern Baja. Loads of critters eat the husks, but I have never seen anything
eat one of those seeds. Try and smash one with a hammer sometime and you will know what I mean! PS: Wear goggles
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Maximino Martinez's big Plantas Mexicanas says local names for Abrus precatorius are peonia, oxoak, semilla de culebra, and four variations of
xoxoak--but has all of these as native to Yucatan.
His little book on a 1945 trip to Baja has the scientific name for colorin as Erythrina flabellifornia Kearn.
Not that any of this is helpful.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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Rhynochosia pyramidalis seeds
Since the link above did not work for me, maybe not for others too. Here is a pasted in photo from the same site
[Edited on 3-24-2006 by Taco de Baja]
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| Quote: | | i don't think i'll get 6-12 months of 80 degree heat at the beach!!! i'll give it another month before i start. BTW, should i remove the husks??? or
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My experience with blue palm is you need to give them lots of time. Time to get the first leaf, and more from then on. I've seen palms take up to a
year to germinate. California and Mexican fan palm (Washingtonia sp.) were two exceptions.
I currently have a few Brahea brandegii (sp?) that I'm going to sow. Plants I received from UCLA about 15 years ago are still small, and they are
growing in the Palm Springs area (for those in CA they are at The Living Desert in Palm Desert, west side of the Palm Garden off the plaza). My plan
is to sow them, then forget they are in the greenhouse until the horticulturist threatens to toss them.
Plant the seeds in deep pots. That sucka is going to put on a long tap root and you don't want to disturb it. I've grown doom palms from Africa in
small trash cans.
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Pappy,
I forgot about that tap root! I germinated my blue fan palms in nursury flats with a piece of newspaper on the bottom and about two inches of sand
& soil mix. After they popped and put up a shoot, I used a BBQ fork and delicately separated them and planted the whole bunch in one-gallon
nursery cans, being careful not to separate the seed from the plant as it seems they continue to draw nutrients for some time from the nut. After
about two years they got moved to five-gallon cans and the roots were over six-feet long coiled up in the can! I could not believe it as the plants
only have six or eight fronds. I guess that is what it takes to survive in a place where the only moisture in August is way down into sand and rock.
It is amazing what a little beauty comes out of that concrete ball bearing.
As for Washingtonias, throw a handful of seeds on the sidewalk and they will grow in the cracks in a month! That plant is a weed.
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Hottshot
I've never grown the Blues, but in my nursery days in Vegas did thousands X ? of Mexs and Cals. I always scarafied and soaked the seeds. I would
guess that if the seed was that tuff, what might help is a trip through a bird gisird, or a tumble down a wash in a flash flood??? No hard data
just an observation.
Your thoughts
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SW,
I think you are right on about scarifying. Someone else said the same thing some time ago in another discussion about these seeds.
One of my favorite stories about the canyon ecosystem involves the role of the coyotes in palm groves. So I was told, If the coyotes did not eat the
seeds of the Washingtonias, they would have been extinct in the desert. The coyotes eat the sticky seeds from the ground and run back up the canyons,
depositing their scat. The germinating seeds produce new trees which repeat the cycle. The trees would all have died out and the seed washed into
the desert long ago if the coyotes didn't keep propagating uphill from the original trees.
The blue fan palms seem to provide a meal for several of the rat / rodent species during the peak seed months. They only eat the husk, but I bet some
of the seeds get hauled down the burrows. I would be willing to bet some also germinate underground and produce new trees.
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