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[*] posted on 6-5-2019 at 03:09 PM


The highway construction companies in 1970-73 were one in the south building north and one in the north building south. The south team made much greater progress than the north team. By 1972, the south team built the highway from Constitucion to Santa Rosalia. The north team only got paving to Colonia Guerrero/ San Quintín area from Colonet on a roadbed that was already made back in the 50s.

1973 is when the magic happened and more companies were added to rush the job. The width of the final section was made the minimum. By July the south team reached Laguna Chapala with the new roadbed with paving in sections to Punta Prieta. The north team only made it through El Rosario to near San Agustin with paving to the Mission San Fernando road. By November, the road was completed.

The north and south construction teams met at San Ignacito (12 kms. south of Cataviña). The highway was officially opened on Dec. 1, 1973.




The last AAA Map (1973) made before the highway was finished:





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[*] posted on 6-5-2019 at 08:56 PM


spent a couple of hours looking again for traces of the old road south-east of El Medano
NOTHING!




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[*] posted on 6-6-2019 at 05:46 AM


That is the old-old road (1940s) west of Santa Rita. Use Howard Gulick's map to see the route. Southeast: It heads to Rancho Santa Fe. The Baja 1000 has used it or a parallel route.






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[*] posted on 6-6-2019 at 09:03 AM


well, all those maps are fine and dandy - but to actually trace the old route on Google Earth is a completely different story



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[*] posted on 6-6-2019 at 09:43 AM


When I get home tonight, I will have a go at it Harald... But, I bet you will have more luck. Howard's maps are very good. He was an engineer and at every curve in the road, he got out of his Willys Wagon, walked several feet away (so the compass would not be affected by the Jeep's metal) and took the directional reading.

His hand drawn maps were quite amazing. The Lower California Guidebook (1956-1970) used abbreviated versions, reduced scale maps to fit in the book. I saw one of his original maps when I was a kid at the home of one of his traveling partners, Andy Anderson.

The maps are archived at the University of California, San Diego.




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[*] posted on 6-6-2019 at 10:26 AM


Harald try using Bing satellite images. They are clearer than GE.
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[*] posted on 6-6-2019 at 12:18 PM


OK - then here is the challenge:
bring me a usable track of the old road between El Medano and Rancho Tepeyac - Rancho Santa Fe and I'll buy you dinner and unlimited drinks
forget the 1950's Pemex exploratory tracks (almost always dead straight lines)




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[*] posted on 6-7-2019 at 12:16 AM


From Rancho Santa Fe south to Punta Conejo is easy but from R. Santa Fe north to El Médano, I am only seeing very straight lines once north of the arroyo crossing... Not that the 1940s road can't be a straight line, but Howard drew it with a bit of a bow to it, it seems to me?
Do you have the dates when Pemex did their exploratory drilling there? I know they tried near Scammon's Lagoon.
Gulick's first edition (1956) has road logs on both new and old highway roads. He traveled them in 1953.




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[*] posted on 6-7-2019 at 08:52 AM


the Pemex exploration tracks are from the 1950's
they are kind of a Baja mystery
they are there, but no official documents
some government announcement that they wanted to do it, but nothing more
some are used as roads by the locals now

the Pemex tracks between El Medano and Santa Fe do not match any of the maps from 1940 to 1970

I have found some cow tracks and possible sections of that elusive old road, but not much

I think we can call that stretch now the "El Medano Gap"
http://baja101.com/Baja-GPS/Medano-Gap.kmz




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[*] posted on 6-7-2019 at 09:08 AM


Here's a couple from my '68 trip to Cabo area.

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Our camp where we stayed for 3 weeks. We called it Solitito. The folks I was with started Las Baracas. Haven't been there since that trip.





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[*] posted on 6-8-2019 at 04:47 PM


All photos taken June & July of '68



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[*] posted on 6-8-2019 at 08:41 PM


So cool, have Road Envy for all you folks that went to Baja pre '70's.

Can't go to the Baja of back then anymore but reading old books and trip reports and seeing old pictures is really neat.
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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 07:34 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
Here's a couple from my '68 trip to Cabo area.

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Our camp where we stayed for 3 weeks. We called it Solitito. The folks I was with started Las Baracas. Haven't been there since that trip.




Sooooooooo-------All those stories about Big Fish were TRUE. Didja see the size of that Sierra?? Nice fish Russ. :cool:







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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 08:06 AM


Here are four photos from 1974 near Alfonsina's where I camped, and on the road going from Gonzaga Bay north to Puertecitos (I was 16 on my first non-parent Baja trip):









Here's a photo from 1965, our first family Baja trip in the new Jeep Wagoneer, to Gonzaga Bay (south from Puertecitos):





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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 09:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  








does this grade have a name?




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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 09:45 AM


In fact, the major grades did and were how the truckers referred to them. The big grade in the photo may have been the longest. In the distance in my photo is Cerro Prieto volcano.

Here, from the Lower California Guidebook, 1962 edition:




Here is the map of the grades from Cliff Cross, 1970:



Gringos have called the grades the sisters (or 3 sisters) or three Marías, etc. My parents referred to them as the "Gonzaga Grades" in the 1960s, diving over them three times. I drove over them in 1974, 75, and 79. The 1979 trip was extremely tough as the road was no longer maintained after Highway 1 was completed and all commercial traffic came in from there, via Calamajué to 1983, then via the new graded road from Chapala after.



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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 11:49 AM


Do you know which one is in your picture?
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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 01:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy  
Do you know which one is in your picture?


Because the photo shows it some distance to the south of Cerro Prieto, and it is a long grade, my guess is Cuesta El Huerfanito, #6 on Cliff Cross' map, and the one in Russ' photo showing the cut at the top. That cut was a new (1960-ish) addition to reduce the steepness a bit.

The original pilot road that Arturo Gross made (1956) can be seen in spots. The government followed Grosso a couple of years later and improved Grosso's road. That road remained until it was virtually impassable in the early 1980s and in 1986, the new, wide, graded road was built. When the new paved highway went in beginning in 2007, they used a different alignment in some places.


Here is a photo from Howard Gulick taken just north of El Huerfanito in 1956...

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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 01:23 PM


Puertecitos in 1956, the pilot road just completed and nothing yet developed there... Howard Gulick photo:

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In 1959...


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[*] posted on 6-9-2019 at 02:52 PM


Neat Gulick pictures
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