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Paladin
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Baja Sur Local Wage Averages
Santa Rosalia, Mulege and Loretto
I would like some "guesses" what the average hourly wage is for local employees in the above area.
It would be in the "auto repair" industry, repairs, body work, painting, welding, engine and transmission rebuilding.
I would be looking at good/very good employees. hard working honest, all that good stuff. Is there any problem if employees were paid more than
average local custom???
I've been told that all the govt fees etc increase wage cost by about 22%...that seems low because of the beating we take in California.
Thanks....and yes I have notgiven up on idea to open business..
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jerry
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remember the 25-30 holidays,
christmas bonus,
monday is hang over day,
everything has to be redone at least 3 times to get it right at your expence,
leaving a mess is job sucurity for the next guy
,training to do something in a certain way will take time as they will revert back to how they want to do it the way they allways have,
si dosent mean they understand you just means that they hear you,
manyona dosent mean tomorrow it just means it sure all hell isnt going to happen today
after about 2-3 years you will find out that what ever you started out to do will not be even close to your expectations
i in no way am saying theses are
negative things its just a different culture and the ppl in mexico understand it accept it and i love them for their independence
other thing you need to add in is stress medicine,ulsure meds,and airfare for aaa meetings 
jerry and judi
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bancoduo
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this is going to be good.
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comitan
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Jerry
Why don't you just tell it like it is, just the facts.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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baja829
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Wages in Mexico are determined by geographical locations -- which don't always make sense. An example is that San Felipe's minimum daily wage is
categorized with Mexico City's and several other large cities. You can look this up on Mexico.gov (some info. in English) and go the the suggested
links. It is posted in every Delegacion in Mexico and they can provide additional info. However, on the very sad side is that the minimum wage is
not hourly anywhere in Mexico. It's daily!
San Felipe's is about $4.53 a day -- yes, a day -- they are paid for 7 days each week ($30.71 a week)and pay taxes, social security (health care and
disability) etc. They receive other benefits such as a low cost housing account,(but they must own land to receive any part of it) but this is only
if they are paid by an employer who registers them with the government and pays taxes. The majority do not, they just pay under the table, (just like
the U.S. ) as taxes for employers are quite high, far more than in the U.S.
On the more positive side, but not by much, the rapid growth in San Felipe reflects that very few employers pay the minimum wage - most pay far more
for obvious reasons. Maids might receive$10to $12.00 per day in some of the nicer places, however, in the South Campos, we're more or less on a U.S.
scale and pay a minimum of $5.00 PER HOUR. In town, in many of the newer more expensive homes, they can and do receive $10.00 an hour. They do an
excellent job, don't take all day and are creating a very good business for themselves. The best jobs are those with "propinas" or tips - so a waiter
might receive the minimum or a bit more -- he's working for 2 things, the benefits and the "propinas".
Americans traditionally tip far better than Canadians, many of whom are not quite as generous, but are extremely loyal. Mexicans are the very worst
tippers -- perhaps because they can barely afford to eat out, but even with those who eat out regularly, they tip far less or not at all.
Wages are also scaled by profession, however, professionals, comparatively speaking, do not fare much better. One of the reasons many professional
walk away from their degrees and work in the U.S., in anything that may become available, and sometimes alongside farmworkers.
The best job in Mexico for non-professional Mexicans is owning their own business, regardless of what it is. The majority by far choose restaurants,
food carts and other types of sales. --
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On the more positive side, but not by much, the rapid growth in San Felipe reflects that very few employers pay the minimum wage - most pay far more
for obvious reasons. Maids might receive$10to $12.00 per day in some of the nicer places, however, in the South Campos, we're more or less on a U.S.
scale and pay a minimum of $5.00 PER HOUR. In town, in many of the newer more expensive homes, they can and do receive $10.00 an hour.
People in San Felipe with expensive homes pay there help 10$/hr. What have you been drinking? Do you just make things up? 
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| Quote: | Wages are also scaled by profession, however, professionals, comparatively speaking, do not fare much better. One of the reasons many professional
walk away from their degrees and work in the U.S., in anything that may become available, and sometimes alongside farmworkers.
The best job in Mexico for non-professional Mexicans is owning their own business, regardless of what it is. The majority by far choose restaurants,
food carts and other types of sales. -- |
You might be right about professionals working along side farm
workers. I bought a tomate that was rotten inside. It must have been picked by a lawyer. :moon:
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aliibike
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Wages
We are getting a little off track of the origional topic. Just to throw in a little more off track stuff. We bought our property in Baja Sur about 8
years ago. When we got "quotes" to build our small place, materials were twice as much as labor. We just had something done by the same guy a few
months ago and the labor was twice as much as the materials. People with big bucks have been paying quite a bit more to get things done "NOW". Before,
I was happy to have a local do the work for a reasonable price, now I do it.
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Dave
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You might...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
and yes I have notgiven up on idea to open business.. |
When you get aquainted with Mexico's labor laws. 
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Santa Rosalia, Mulege and Loretto
I would like some "guesses" what the average hourly wage is for local employees in the above area.
It would be in the "auto repair" industry, repairs, body work, painting, welding, engine and transmission rebuilding.
I would be looking at good/very good employees. hard working honest, all that good stuff. Is there any problem if employees were paid more than
average local custom???
I've been told that all the govt fees etc increase wage cost by about 22%...that seems low because of the beating we take in California.
Thanks....and yes I have notgiven up on idea to open business.. |
I know several people that have auto repairer shops here in Mulege. I have asked them how they charge for a job and they don't even know. they just
look at the job and look at the customer and it comes to them like a vision.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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bajajudy
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Your accountant will guide you through this maze.(Mex labor laws)
We are doing a construction project and paying the workers ourselves and it is very expensive to pay their IMSS, INFONAVIT, probably some other
letters that I have forgotten. I think that because construction work is hazardous the social security/workmans comp is higher than for a clerk or
waitress.
Dont try to get around this. If they catch you, the penalties are high and you could probably lose your business over some issues.
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bajajudy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
you could probably lose your business over some issues. |
for instance if your employee dies on the job without coverage.
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baja829
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Taxes can run up to 50%. Big business does not fare well in MX., as it does in the U.S. But the last comment is important, get a good accountant
(check with other businessmen in your area and if the same one or two names come up, those are the ones you begin with) .
And yes, problems are created by Americans who truly overpay - guess it makes them feel important, but when it happens consistently, prices go up.
Times have changed. We're willing to pay for good work. We still have so many other benefits from the culture and great Mexican and Americans we've
met over the years. Still a great place to live and retire.
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baja829
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That has not been my impression. Where are you getting this information?
--Larry
From over many years of their enrollments in English and job training classes in the U.S. -- CA. AZ. TX., NM.
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mike odell
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I'll throw my 2 cents in here. The old days of minimum daily rate pay based on the government standards, hasn't been used here for the last 16 years
that I have been in business. Today, labor rates, if you need Good help, range between 160 and 250 usd week!! Depends of course on skill level and
productivity. Then you have taxes, vacations, Imms, Sar, yearly bonus,
Christmas partys, Holiday pay, etc. In addition, in the construction business that I am involved in, I supply All tools, trucks, gas, maint,etc, right
down two tapemeasures and pencils!! I normaly employ 50 to 120 men and office staff depending on workload, most of my men have been with me 8 to 15
years, I consider them family for the most part, and don't think they are overpaid by any means. We build a product that we and the soon to be owner
are proud of. Material prices, suppliers, all go up every year also,
This is reality here and everywhere I believe. Can't build here or anywheres else Cheap anymore, cold hard facts. It certainly takes a lot of
potential customers out of picture, but again realilty is what it is.
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bajabound2005
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I'm not sure there's a dictionary out there that would help in the translation of this one....and why would anyone need to get airfare to the American
Automobile Assoc?
| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
remember the 25-30 holidays,
christmas bonus,
monday is hang over day,
everything has to be redone at least 3 times to get it right at your expence,
leaving a mess is job sucurity for the next guy
,training to do something in a certain way will take time as they will revert back to how they want to do it the way they allways have,
si dosent mean they understand you just means that they hear you,
manyona dosent mean tomorrow it just means it sure all hell isnt going to happen today
after about 2-3 years you will find out that what ever you started out to do will not be even close to your expectations
i in no way am saying theses are
negative things its just a different culture and the ppl in mexico understand it accept it and i love them for their independence
other thing you need to add in is stress medicine,ulsure meds,and airfare for aaa meetings |
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jerry
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oops i studdddeeerrreeedddd A,A,A
jerry and judi
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Paladin
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Thanks for all the replies. I'd sure like to meet some of you guys and ladies because there are a bunch of you with great sense of humor.....maybe I
should give up and just meet you guys and just laugh my butt off.
This comment was a great one
"other thing you need to add in is stress medicine,ulsure meds,and airfare for aaa meetings "
Shucks, I joined AA in 2000....offical date for all those chips is 6-15-2000. I never did say I was going to stop forever and for that matter I
specifically said it pertained to USA only
Again my plan is Mulege area......by the way, in my next life I'm coming back as a Mexican...I love all those holidays
Also I have a deep respect for the fact that I would be a foreigner and my intention is to do everything by the book..100%..if I can't make it work,
then I'll just buy a shack in Baja Sur...spend my Social Security and work wearing out my Lupe/Max 1984 Panga...either way I'm getting my butt out of
california.
Thanks again for all the info and advice...I certainly appreciate even the advice about "dont do it"...by the way I was a prety damn stubbord
drinker
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baja829
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by baja829
| Quote: | | That has not been my impression. Where are you getting this information? |
From over many years of their enrollments in English and job training classes in the U.S. -- CA. AZ. TX., NM. |
Interesting. From the other side of the fence-- a (Mexican) research institute full of professionals over a wide range of age and academic maturity,
I don't see that picture at all. I very rarely hear comments about wanting to relocate out of the country. Mexico is still a comfortable and
exciting place to live, for successful professionals.
Do you have a good feeling behind the reason for relocation of those folks you were dealing with in the States?
--Larry |
Many came from the rural areas of the interior, went to University, came back home and jobs
were unavailable or pay incredibly low. The highest degreed person we came in contact with was a PHd Librarian -- but there were Dentists,
Accountants, some Doctors -- most of them were redirected to training in other lesser jobs within their field of study. All of these, both lesser
and higher educated were legal immigrants who came illegally and legalized under IRCA 1986. m/
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Paladin
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Bruce
thanks for info since you propably the expert in the area I'm thinking about...
But,
 I was interested in the wages of the auto repair employees,
not what the owners carged for repair work. You comment was however a hoot.
Paladin
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