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elgatoloco
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Sea change in philosophy or "Dirtbags on the loose".
Sad.
Glad to hear your friends made it.
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Bob H
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Looks like a regular occurance on the pay road lately. Hoodlums looking to rob someone. And Mexican law enforcement looks the other way. This is
very sad.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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MrBillM
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Driving at Night
Back when I was still working, I used to leave for San Felipe on Friday night, arriving in Percebu at 1-2 a.m. During the mid-80s, there were a rash
of robberies on Hwy 5 at night. The bad guys would put up a barrier on the road and rob the vehicles that slowed or stopped. Adding to my discomfort
with driving that road at night was one instance when I almost drove into oblivion because a flood had washed out the highway and no warning barriers
had yet been set up. Not to mention the times that I came around a curve to find a vehicle "parked" on the highway while the occupants were taking a
"Potty" break. I decided that there were simply too many uncertainties to continue driving the highway at night.
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longlegsinlapaz
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Sad & scary!!!! Looks like I've made my last solo drive up north for a while!!! Now it makes a little more sense as to WHY all the check points
always asked me "Donde es su esposo??" on all of my solitary trips! Though it doesn't sound like there is too much safety in numbers lately! One
thought would be for gringo's to see if it would be possible to designate "Safety in Numbers" spots both north & south bound where you could wait
for several vehicles to caravan together through that toll road area....I wouldn't think it'd be too long a wait!
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Barry A.
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Judas Monster, Soulpatch------------
-------things are REALLY getting "out of control" down there.
What a story---------Personally, I am NOT exposing my wife and friends to this type of run-away brutality and crime, with NO way to protect them (and
me) other than a lot of luck and fast thinking.
I am not sure that the border guards/agents (Border Patrol and Customs) have EMS training, or even EMT. Still, your right, they should have used the
911 system ASAP, it seems to me-----that is what it is for. This true "victim" is one lucky guy, I am thinking.
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Bedman
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I am still appalled with this incident. A man is Shot!! An attempt to kill him and possibly his family!! These are Statements and Not Questions!! Two
Assaults on the Toll road in the last 4 days and One Extortion Downtown Ensenada!!
Will it get worse before it gets better? Will somebody have to Die befor the Authorities do something.
Are there ANY authorities Willing to stop this? 
Bedman
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BornFisher
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This is getting scary. Several years ago, just north of Rosarito Beach, I was waved down by a Gringo who told me he just got carjacked! Some guys
pulled up beside him and yelled he had a nearly flat tire. He pulled over, and they pulled beside with a gun. He hesitated, they nearly shot him in
the foot, he surrendered his rig, then flaged me down. He wanted me to try to catch them but I wasn`t about to!!!
Anyway this happened about 3 years ago, in the late afternoon, on the toll road north of Rosarito Beach. I`m starting to wonder!! All these reports,
and an incident a few weeks ago (local murdered) have left me with some reservations.
Won`t change my ways for now, just hope this chit stops!!!
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Tomas Tierra
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How many more such incidents happen that don't make it to this board I wonder??
Drive a piece of chit truck if you want to be safe I guess..
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Frank
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Hope you guys dont mind I posted a copy on BD.
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Baja Bernie
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See my post on Robbed in Rosarito
I started tallking about the violence in this area over a year ago but just kept gettingt po-pooded until I shut up. Now it has spilled over to
affect the average tourist. Night time driving is just plain 'not smart' and we all need to know what is going on around us at all times.
Tom had great senses and did what was needed to take care of his family. Very few of us could have done as well once the sh*t hit the fan. Hope he
is okay.
The expansion of Homeland Security has caused the border to be staffed by folks who do not know their______from a hole in the ground. A few senior
people are the exception.
Almost all of us know business people in Baja Norte and we should be telling them how this crazy violence is affecting 'us,' the paying tourists. We
should be writing letters to the editors in all of our local papers and to the Gringo Gazette and the Baja Times etc.
It has gone past the point where we used to say--this too will pass--it will not unless we start putting pressure on the only government that will
listen to us--OURS!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Frank
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BD is Bloodydecks.com, its a fishing website based mostly out of San Diego, but with 15,000 members they do get around.
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Dave
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I sent a copy of this post along with the others to the Gringo Gazette. I hope they publish them. I need to go in to Rosarito to do some banking but
the traffic has been unbearable. This should cure it.
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Baja Bernie
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Dave
Nancy at GG is just crazy enough to run with it.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Baja Bernie
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All of these posts about violence remind me
of a saying---You deserve that which you will tolerate.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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thebajarunner
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School marm to the rescue
"If you don't read the newspapers you are uniformed--if you do then you are mis-informed"--Will Rogers
Uhhhh, Bernie... the word is 'uninformed,' the spell checker let you down....
'uniformed' has a certain edge to it, but hard to tell just what that edge might be....
(sorry friend, could not resist)
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cardonhugger
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Baja violence
I wonder of the reception us gringos will receive in Baja when the U.S. completes the "Border Barrier". While some solution is needed to the ongoing
immigration problems, will this FENCE also have the effect of increased intolerance by some Mexican citizens to our big expensive trucks, toys and
houses in THEIR country???
As this violence continues, us touristas will be the ones hiring "coyotes" for guidence and protection on our once idyllic Baja journeys!!! I hope not
in my lifetime!!!
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lewm
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trips to LA bay
All through the 80's & early 90's we did a twice a year trip to LA Bay. We always left Huntington Beach at midnight. This would put us down there
in the afternoon.
I was asked several times was'nt it dangerous to drive through TJ at that hour. My answer was that we felt the fence jumpers had already jumped
& as an extra precaution we unplugged one of the headlights to make us appear to be local.
I have great memories of those many trips & the wonderful people we met on the way. This crime scene really bugs me.
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bajalera
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Bugs me, too. We no longer feel comfortable when camped out--in what used to be a safe part of t he world.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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jimgrms
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I think the day,s of safely traveling alone are over in the states as well as mexico , when i take trips in the states i always carrie a pistol the
bandidos know we are unarmed and as the majority of us are elderly we are looked at as fair game , the police don,t care and aren,t about to risk
thier life for a gringo , and until rich mexicans start getting robbed nothing will change , jmho
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MrBillM
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Amen Pistolero
I have commented time and again that the biggest difference (for me) between encounters with the bad guys in Mexico or the U.S. is that, when I'm in
the U.S., it is a rare moment that I am on the road (even down to the local store) without a Pistol within close reach and I have never had occasion
to regret that in over 40 years.
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