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shari
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Border Wall...MURO DE VIRGUENZA
I just wanted to comment on the new wall going up along the USA/Mexico border called the Muro de Virguenza here...or wall of shame. There is a real
hulabaloo here about it and unfortunately it is creating more anti-american sentiment. It is a hot topic of conversation and I have heard lots of
rumors that maybe someone can substantiate. I heard that hotels in the big cities like Acapulco, Puerto Vallarta, Los Cabos will be boycotting
americans and not renting them rooms during the holidays...I highly doubt that but it's just an example of the gossip here. Boycotts of american
products and stores have been called for by religious leaders (?). One friend of ours said it's a lot of money being spent for nothing as Mexicans are
very resourceful and will just find other ways to enter the states. He mentioned there are lots of tunnels that he goes back and forth in them
whenever he wants. Last night on the news was kinda funny as there was a story about 7 mexicans getting stuck in a very narrow tunnel and having to be
rescued...ooops. I would like to know what other mexican nomad spouses think about the wall.
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BajaWarrior
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And it was those dispicable American Firemen that saved them from being buried alive...
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Don Alley
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Perhaps Mexicans will figure out other ways to cross the border, but unfortunately those ways may be more dangerous.
But the more effective the wall is at limiting immigration, the more pressure will rise to develop some program or other to allow more workers from
Mexico. I think our economy needs them and the wall is just election year showboating.
But wall or no wall, the growing Mexican (and other Spanish speaking) presence in the US will likely result in more manifestations of anti Mexican
behavior in the US, and that could encourage an anti-American backlash in Mexico. But I hope that in general, Baja people are not as hot headed as
many in the USA.
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SiReNiTa
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lol...i think that if the US just extended a friendly hand to mexicans and not saw them as slaves then everyone could be happy because truly...is
there someone here that can prove me wrong in saying that the latin population in the US is very important because they do all the dirty jobs and the
ones that are hard and that pay less and on top of all that they get treated like.....yukiness...so as not to say anything else...i am not speaking
for the gang members or the drug dealers but for the hard working people that are trying to help their familys and lots of times die in the
effort...think of hoe many men leave their homes with a promise of return and better life for their children and never come back...put yourselves in
that pisition and then try saying they should not be there...
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
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Oso
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Our AZ Gov., Janet Napolitano, said it best: "Show me a ten foot wall and I'll show you an eleven foot ladder".
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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SiReNiTa
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correct!!! and folks the offer still stands try proving me wrong...but first put yourselves in their shoes...please
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
Http://BajaScents.Scentsy.com.mx
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Frank
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They did pull him out of the tunnel, followed by Eyore, Tigger and Piglet.
As Carlos Mencia would say about that wall.....Who is going to build it?
Boycott Americans? That should be interesting. I think the wall is a waste of time, but so is making the Dept of Homeland defense unable to do there
job.
Im a Contractor, in San Diego. The amount of skilled workers is very low, and there arent many gringos wanted to learn. Id love to put guys to work,
if it were legal. Guest worker program to me sounds like the answer if there is one.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
correct!!! and folks the offer still stands try proving me wrong...but first put yourselves in their shoes...please |
It is late in the evening and I will not attempt to set all My point of view. First thing tomorrow I will state this is not about hard working field
hands. It is more serious then that.
I think the wall of shame is fault of the greedy Americans, but the illegal workers are in the income pocket of the hard working blue collar
American. No matter who you are that will not go on forever. More on this tomorrow.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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SUNDOG
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Borders are not about political lines
An article you might like.
Borders are not about political lines
By Patrick Osio, Jr
International borders are not about political lines dividing
countries. Borders are about people living across each other
separated by a political line. When people divided by borders are of
different cultures, speak different languages and there is
significant economic disparity between them the differences often
become political problems.
In the Western Hemisphere most border political problems do not
start, or are sustained, due to language or cultural differences.
These differences may exacerbate the problems. The roots of most
political problems exist where there is an economic disparity between
the two divided nations. The greater the disparity, the greater the
political problem.
Thus when the problems are not cultural or language, rather economic
disparity, it makes little difference what the names or world
locations of neighboring countries. So North Korea is to China what
Mexico is to the US; Lesotho is to South Africa what Mexico is to the
US; Guatemala is to Mexico what Mexico is to the US, and on it goes.
When there is no economic disparity, the political problems between
countries are mostly based on historical issues, commercial rivalries
and in modern times, environmental issues.
The US has two countries separated by the political line we call
border, Canada and Mexico. The economic disparity between the peoples
of Canada and the US is of little consequence thus the political
problems based on the border as a dividing line were, prior to the
9/11 terrorist attack, for the most part non existent, though there
are Canadians living and working illegally in the US. And since 9/11
the political border problems the US has with Canada are perceptions
that Canada is not doing enough to stop terrorists from crossing into
the US.
Along the US-Mexico border the situations is dramatically different.
The economic disparity between the two countries is so great that
simply stating it in general terms cannot describe its enormity.
To better understand. Unskilled or semi-skilled factory workers in
the US earn $11.30 an hour; in Mexico $1.13. A US skilled factory
worker earns $16.90 an hour; in Mexico $2.79. An office building
janitor in the US earns $9.37 an hour; in Mexico $0.87. A US store
clerk earns $8.91 an hour; in Mexico $1.67. A US plumber earns $26.97
an hour; in Mexico $2.50.*
How long do workers in the above job examples have to work for some
basic staples like: half-gallon milk; 10-tortilla pack; 1-lb butter;
1-lb Cheddar cheese; 1.42-liter corn oil; 1-lb potatoes; 1-whole
chicken; 1-dozen eggs?*
The US factory worker: 1-hour 45-minutes – Mexican worker: 9-hours 16-
minutes
US skilled factory worker: 1-hour 5-minutes – Mexican worker: 3-hours
34-minutes
US office building-janitor: 1-hour 57-minutes – Mexican janitor: 11-
hours 29-minutes
US store clerk: 2-hours 3-minutes – Mexican store clerk: 5-hours 58-
minutes
US plumber: 45-minutes – Mexican plumber: 3-hours 59-minutes.*
The above costs of basic staples take into consideration the
difference in costs between the US and Mexico: chicken at 99-cents
per lb in the US versus 81-cents in Mexico; potatoes in the US at 99-
cents per lb versus 47-cents in Mexico; the US corn oil at $3.49
versus $1.78 in Mexico; US Cheddar cheese at $4.99-lb versus $2.24 in
Mexico and so on.*
Mexican farmworkers earn less than 80-cents an hour, but a great
number of farms have and continue to shut down unable to compete with
US citizen-tax founded farm subsidized products exported to Mexico,
creating high rates of unemployment.
For millions of Mexicans their earnings, if they have jobs, do not
provide sufficient income to provide the basic necessities to support
a family, so they cross the political line without official
permission in search of economic opportunity, and most find it rather
easily. Due to the massive numbers crossing a political problem has
been created in the US.
The economic disparity in wages coupled with job availability in the
US are the root problems of the political problem between the US and
Mexico.
So what does America, the country made great by immigrants, propose
doing to solve the root problems?
Builds fences and militarizes the border, declare those desperate
souls felons, criminalize aiding them in any way, deny their children
education, prohibit renting them shelter and classify them as
terrorists to ease the American conscience.
If such laws are enacted, may our Lord have mercy on our beloved
America.
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SiReNiTa
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can't wait!! lol...true your point is but still where would lots (not all) of americans be without latinos
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
Http://BajaScents.Scentsy.com.mx
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Barry A.
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-----did I hear someone say something about the "rule of Law"????
-------Two words describe the entire problem
ILLEGAL ALIENS , with the emphathise on "ILLEGAL".
I will never understand why folks don't see that.
EVERYBODY that is acting illegally should be cracked down on, both illegal immigrants and illegal gringos employing them. When THAT problem is
addressed, and some progress is made, THEN we can work on the folks that are already here ILLEGALLY with some kind of "worker program".
Keep it simple and it can be solved-------muck it up with complexities and it will just get worse, to everybodies detriment.
The "fence" is a first step, and it sure will slow things down to possibly a manageable level. Tunnels and ladders are highly over-rated!!!
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Al G
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Latinos are part of our cultural and that will not change. Americans are running scared. We have started to out source all office type work and now
our construction industry is being over run. $30 hr construction labor is down to $7 hr Mexican labor. Again Contractor greed!
Now the average contractor argues "I can not compete" if I do not use cheap Mexican labor. It is accelerating and getting worst. OOPS more tomorrow.
Too many Pacificos.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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roundtuit
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Need some kind of a work program, as of now we have grapes to pick in northern Ca and not enough labor. Just think of all the yuppies that may not
have their fine merlots this winter. will they work the fields ?????
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Al G
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"Just think of all the yuppies that may not have their fine merlots this winter. will they work the fields ?????"
Sadly NOT! But neither will the welfare dad that hides in the closet when the social worker show up. Our liberal brothers have seen to it that they
they do not have to work. that does not stop them from whining at what they do not have.
Unfortunately most of the LA gang have figured this out too.
They are now the target of deportation and are being dumpped in TJ.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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roundtuit
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Sadly enough this is true and the problem is they pass it on to the next generation. I belive welfare should have a work program even if only picking
Grapes to make wine for yuppies
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Al G
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It won't work...we have an aversion to making women work and the man hides in the closet.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Frank
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
our construction industry is being over run. $30 hr construction labor is down to $7 hr Mexican labor. Again Contractor greed!
Now the average contractor argues "I can not compete" if I do not use cheap Mexican labor. It is accelerating and getting worst. OOPS more tomorrow.
Too many Pacificos. |
Al, you got paint on me with that broad brush your swinging.
Ive never felt that I cant compete. I dont do jobs based on the lowest price, for me its done on reputation only. There is a difference between a
skilled worker and a unskilled worker, and I do know the kinds of contractors your talking about. Bad workmanship due to the lack of supervision and
skill will weed them out when things get "skinny". Darwins theory of bad workmanship, Be good or be gone.
BTW $7.00/ hour? The unskilled drunk/rehab lowlifes that stand in front of home depot want $12.00/hour cash at the end of the day. The illegals stand
farther down the street so the HOMEOWNERS dont get them confused.
Give me a few guys that want to learn, arent drug addicts, will show up to work and have some pride in there work is all I ask.
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roundtuit
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Frank am like you have been in construction since 1959 Learned from mistakes, common since or watching others. Never to old to learn. I also do jobs
based on my rep not low ball. Have had fun in my life teaching younger men the craft, then telling me they found a better paying job to support the
family. Made me a happy camper knowing I sent another craftmen out
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
-------Two words describe the entire problem
ILLEGAL ALIENS , with the emphathise on "ILLEGAL".
I will never understand why folks don't see that.
EVERYBODY that is acting illegally should be cracked down on, both illegal immigrants and illegal gringos employing them. When THAT problem is
addressed, and some progress is made, THEN we can work on the folks that are already here ILLEGALLY with some kind of "worker program".
Keep it simple and it can be solved-------muck it up with complexities and it will just get worse, to everybodies detriment.
The "fence" is a first step, and it sure will slow things down to possibly a manageable level. Tunnels and ladders are highly over-rated!!!
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I've seen laws made, close up, and I don't agree with those who make the common comparison that unfairly defames sausage.
IMO, the law too often strays from our traditional principals of personal liberty, too often serves only the interests of narrow interests able to
bribe legislators and government officials, and too often a law's sole purpose is to bolster the position of politicians.
So any argument with the emphasis on legality doesn't get much traction with me.
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Barry A.
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Don----I am sorry-----
----but I do not have a clue what you are talking about.
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