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bancoduo
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How many union members out there?
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soulpatch
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Right here brother.
CPF and IAFF.
My wife is CEA and NEA.
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Bruce R Leech
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I have belonged to 2 unions in my life. and I am not proud of it both times the Union caused the company to go out of business and cost me a good job.
now they are driving the auto industry out of the USA. and the teachers unions are destroying education.what next
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soulpatch
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My experience has been that Union members spend money in thier communities.
I am guessing Bruce had a non-union education based soley on his ability to write.
The auto industry is hurting because of a lack of innovation in design. Cars are still selling/
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
My experience has been that Union members spend money in thier communities.
I am guessing Bruce had a non-union education based soley on his ability to write.
The auto industry is hurting because of a lack of innovation in design. Cars are still selling/ |
all my teachers were Union through the 12 grade it doesn't mater if you can read or write they just pass you on so you are not there problem any more.
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Packoderm
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I've never been a union member in my life. I've worked countless thousands hours of overtime, and I've never been paid anthing but straight time. I've
never had a paid vacation. Heck, I've never really been allowed to take time to go on vacation. I could go only when I was between jobs. Some kind of
union would have worked for me.
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Bruce R Leech
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Wow Packoderm where did you work? sounds like you have a good case for the labor board.
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soulpatch
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All I can say is that I get a very fair wage and benefit package based on the tax base in the area I live in. I then spend those monies in my
community, first w/local businesses if I can and then w/larger corporations that pay wages to people in my community.
And Bruce, not all teachers just pass students on. Usually blanket generalizations are inherently incorrect.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I've never been a union member in my life. I've worked countless thousands hours of overtime, and I've never been paid anthing but straight time. I've
never had a paid vacation. Heck, I've never really been allowed to take time to go on vacation. I could go only when I was between jobs. Some kind of
union would have worked for me. |
WoW... I guess I am reading between the lines, but haven't heard of to many people out of touch with reality this bad. Sound like ammunition for the
Unions. I can heard them now...."Oh dear lord you need the union to protect you"
The truth is Federal Law has been protecting you for many,many years. Dates and time is all you need to recover all the back wages. No Union needed.
Albert G
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Packoderm
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Hell Bruce, virtually every person who works non-union construction is expected to put in 10 hours a day and Saturdays and sometimes part of Sunday.
Nobody gets extra pay for overtime. One employer listed our hours as piece work when we were hourly. They seemed to want to make construction akin to
agricultural work - which they have succeeded in many ways. This was especially true when there was no bubble.
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Packoderm
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"The truth is Federal Law has been protecting you for many,many years. Dates and time is all you need to recover all the back wages. No Union needed."
You'd be fired or life will be hell. Also, you'd have to move to a different town if you want to work again.
This is getting Off Topic. Well, that is unless you want to compare the U.S.'s future with that of Baja Mexico's present.
[Edited on 07/17/2004 by Packoderm]
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
All I can say is that I get a very fair wage and benefit package based on the tax base in the area I live in. I then spend those monies in my
community, first w/local businesses if I can and then w/larger corporations that pay wages to people in my community.
And Bruce, not all teachers just pass students on. Usually blanket generalizations are inherently incorrect. |
Highly commendable..of course you have to support local, unions insist, because the rest of the world (China for one) is kicking your union butt. Of
coarse not everyone does the same good, or bad thing. Most of your brethren buy cheap whatever China crap same as they did in the sixties with Japan.
There are good and bad teachers, just as any other profession. The problem is as you know the union make sure the cannot be fired for being
incompetent.
The very worst thing the unions do, and will be their major downfall, is forcing business to pay people weather they work or not. Tell me how long you
company would last in a down turn..the ones that do are so far in debt the owners make nothing for years. The unions don't care it was your fault
anyway.
My last post on the subject, because I know it does no good.
Funny thing is you know I am speaking the truth with experience, but you will never admit it. The unions are coming down and I don't mean someday.
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bruce R Leech
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all I know is I have only had bad experiences with them and lots of good jobs without them. I always mad more a had better benefits than the union
guys . but I liked to work. I think union jobs are good for lazy non skilled workers
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soulpatch
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Well, when your righting comes off as if you were in the classes for the learning disabled I understand Bruce.
And Al G, you know nothing about me and I don't post what I don't firmly believe in.
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soulpatch
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I will state this, as well. This is too finite of a forum for this to be discussed logically and w/o subjective feeling.
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soulpatch
Did you ever get some palm trees?
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Bruce R Leech
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soulpatch I am sorry that you took my point of view so personally . that was not my intent. I only wanted to post that I have been a union member in
the past and did not have a good experience.
you are a union member and it has worked well for you as it has for many. I am sure you will get as many deferent responses as there are people. but
when you make a post about something as controversial as Unions you are asking for responses and opinions. after all these is the INTERNET and the
Baja Nomad Forum. what I don't like is when someone makes a post and then personally attacks anyone that posts a point of view that is deferent than
yours. I am sory that you are the kind of person that sets this kind of trap. maybe I cant write with your expertise but I do have manners enough that
I will never personally attack another Nomad about personal deficiencies
[Edited on 10-16-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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Iserved 25 years in the Navy and then joined the IBEW lu 477, in san bernardino ca we had a great comp package and at one time even took a pay cut
in the 80's ,to help our contracters compete , we did not get paid vacations , and if a wireman scred up something on the job he was required to
fix on his time (no pay), . I buy american and locally whenever i can . which is harder every day , automakers and other sources outsource
to make more profit not to give the buyer a better deal ex. a car that cost 10,000 in 1989 now cost 36 40,000,and labor material or cost of doing
buisness has not gone up that fast jmho jim g
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soulpatch
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El Gato,
I got the palms and Jungle music was great... of course I spent too much. and
bought only small ones (9) but I will have the pleasure of watching them grow.
Bruce, I wasn't the only one here slinging some mud. I remember a few of your posts that an objective person might take personally. I did not start
this post and, like a fool, allowed myself to be drawn into it. Stupid me, again.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
El Gato,
I got the palms and Jungle music was great... of course I spent too much. and
bought only small ones (9) but I will have the pleasure of watching them grow.
Bruce, I wasn't the only one here slinging some mud. I remember a few of your posts that an objective person might take personally. I did not start
this post and, like a fool, allowed myself to be drawn into it. Stupid me, again. |
no problem .
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