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Bajagypsy
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My foot is still attached, and am on Antibiotics (sp???) again, x-ray should something, but they didn't want to go digging around. As I'm from the
praries, and no ocean for about 1000 km west, the docs here have no idea what to do
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Don't underestimate infections caused by fish etc. Almost lost a finger once due to
"chum infection".   Real nasty and hurt like all get-out. Started out with a fin-prick. too small to locate, ended up with a finger turning black and swollen
twice it's normal size. Antibiotics cured it. There wasn't anything imbedded.
X-Rays wouldn't have shown anything. Good luck with it.
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Good word Dean,
The hot water and amonia is always good, have also used fresh urine and then un bearably hot water.
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As one of God's Frozen people you have been blessed with socialized med program and are entitled to all the benifits the program provides. I would,
in this case, take full advantage of the program and continue to pound on the treating doctor (s) until this is resolved to YOUR satisfaction not
theirs.
There are several concerns,
1) is infection which apparently is being addressed with anti biotics--kind and strenght and dosage is unknown.
2) long term effects-- any time a foreign object, weather it be a wood splinter, a metal shaving or a sting ray barb, is received SQ into the bodies
flesh, the body immediately takes defensive action in the form of encapusulation-- a "Cyst" is formed. Theses are the small hard objects under the
skin which you must have experienced in your life. This may have already began forming in your foot.
3) best case senario would be that the sting ray barb is or has begun to desolve and is being absorbed into the body--(I doubt it)
A suggestion would be for the Canadian Attending Doctor to confer with Divers Alert Network in the US for advice and treatment protocal.
So keep on your meds and keep pounding on your doctors.
DM
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FARASHA
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Would also recommend DAN www.diversalertnetwork.com for advice.No fun this kind of injury. a 2ndary infection almost cost me my Life after a dive related injury!! I
developed an ERYSIPELA after my wound didn't heal.
DAN made sure I got the right treatment, and organised my evacuation!!
Best thing is to JOIN DAN as a member.Lowcost, and great benefit for every diver!!!
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Bajagypsy
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Great advice thanx!!
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sting ray punchure
Inquiring minds want to know--
Is your foot healed?
Asymptomatic of pain and discomfort at all times?
standing?
walking?
sitting?
What was the meds administered and in what dosage?
Your reply may help others in need of assistance.
SM
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kellychapman
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now I am scared to go in the water at all....I do not want to loose a limb, suffer pain worse then childbirth...die if it should sting me in the
heart......ask a stranger to pee on me...have to be evacuated (even though I work for Masa...Medical Air Service Association if I should need
it....and for less then 1$ a day) carry viconden...even though I love it...tequilla to ease the pain even more....Jeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz it sounds like
something out of a horror movie....and I am a serious chicken.....plud now a very paranoid one on top of it.....there goes my diving classes ....I
think I will take up sewing instead. All kidding aside.....I pray your foot heals and you recover soon.....all this advice was very informative and
will save me alot of money for those diving classes....anyone have a good price on a used sewing machine.....
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FARASHA
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NO WORRIES!! Kelly, once you start diving you get to know the dangers, and if you're not as careless as this Jeff Corwin was, then you should be fine.
Of course sh**t happens, but not very often!
And I for myself had NEVER a bad experience, out of this one time experience where I WAS sole responsible for this to develope. I didn't wait for the
wound( a scratch) to heal up, continued diving, therefore I had a secondary infection.
So keep going, get your OWD certification, so we can dive TOGETHER!!!!
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Bajagypsy
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Foot has healed, all there is now is a scar to proudly show off as a battle wound. NOt sure of the brand name of the meds given, just cost me $10.00
a pill (3 a day for 7 days!!!). It feels much better, and nothing comes out of it anymore. Kelly, totaly take up diving, it is the most beautiful
expereince one can have, I love it, and it was my own stupidity that got me hurt in the first place!!!!
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Well by George...(who ever came up with that) I am totally convinced...even if I am petrified...to take diving lessons. But I can tell you for sure I
am wearing my hiking boots to walk on the beach...lol...I feel horrible for all the pain and suffering one has to suffer as a result of stepping on
them....in fact I felt so bad for a woman who had been stung 2 times just hours before departing from the most incrediable vacation stay (her farewell
walk....) and used all her available cash for the emergency room and cab that I
gave her a ride to the airport...BAD IDEA as I ended up being fined 250 pesos as it is illegale to give anyone a ride...it cuts down on the profits
for the cab drivers....and in many ways I do understand...AND I HAD TO PAY the taxi the fair he would have made for he was next in line....let just
say I paid big time for my soft heart as I felt responsible for not making her aware they were even out there....yeah yeah it is stupid...but in
closing I have seen so many people stung on the beaches here that they should post signs....hmmmmmmm another project to save the world.... every little bit helps just like the fabulous information on this post.....MUCHAS
GRACIAS!
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Sting ray --Kelly Chapman
[Originally posted by kellychapman]
"...now I am scared to go in the water at all....I do not want to loose a limb, suffer pain worse then childbirth...die if it should sting me in the
heart......ask a stranger to pee on me
it sounds like something out of a horror movie....and I am a serious chicken.....plud now a very paranoid one on top of it...there goes my diving
classes ..."
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Kelly,
Please defray your fears of the UW world until you have tried it ...It is a new demension of the world and the last to be explored. It is not for
every one; some like it and adapt it as a second home, while others are terrified of the brimey deep.
I would seriously doubt if you would lose a limb but bear in mind sting rays punchures or lacerations can be painful .
The sting ray that caused the death of Irvin, the croc hunter has not been Ided but was probably the "Gaint Australian Sting ray" (dasayatis
brevicaudata) which is the largest ray in the world-measuring as long as 15 feet long and 7 feet wide--with excessively long barbs
The sting ray that jumped into the boat was positive Ided as a "Spotted eagle ray" (aerobatus narinari.) It is simular in configuration to the
California Bat Ray (myliobatis californicus.) However as the name inplies is spotted; white spots on a back background and can also be ided by it's
very long whip like tail. It is seldom seen in shallow water and I have personally observed it on numerous occasions leaping out of the water.
The ray most involved in the accidents in this thread is the very common "butterfly ray" (gymnura marmorta) which are found in the shallows of bays
and coves from nothern California to the tip of Baja.
I can not attest to the classes taught by the current fuzzy faced profit motivated dive instructors but I would assume they would address and insist
that the student be aware of dangerous marine animals; to ID them, to avoid them and to RX incase of an encounter.. You also deman that your
instructor cover this area to your satisfaction--if not demand a refund.
Urine is a mild acid. As an acid it has certain theraputic value and has been used in medical treatment since the beginning of time.
Ask any WW11 or Koren Vet--the RX for athetes foot was a carefully aimed stream of urine while taking a shower. And it still is being used by some,
especially in the oldy moldy showers of Baja
One danger in the water is the common sea urchin--more diving wounds are caused by sea urchins punchures than any other marine organism . Immediate
RX is Urine, long term and more civilized is of course household acids and or liberal applications of HOH aka hydrogen peroxide to aid in lifting the
spine out.
So if you are not up to the activity continue with your sewing, knitting or what ever turns you on..
But give tha UW a chance,
DM
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FARASHA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dean miller
So if you are not up to the activity continue with your sewing, knitting or what ever turns you on..
But give tha UW a chance,
DM |
 OH yeah - anyone who knows Kelly will have a good laugh at this ... especially Kelly herself
I'm sure she WIL give it a chance - as sewing etc... is ruled out already, AND she want's to go diving with me!!
But nicely spoken DEAN, and soooo true!! regards Farasha
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OMG this is funny....Farasha is right about me not really being the type who can sit still for more then 5 minutes.....I appreciate all your
information Dean and honestly I was just being dramatic and having some fun....and it truly was...
I am going to find a very good diving instructor and experience something beyond anything I have ever known. It may take some time...but the
blessings of living in Loreto allow me that....and yes Farasha we are going to go diving and have some great times......but....thank you all....
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The multitude of stings and punctures from the small skates (butterflys) that our camping bunch has received over years of splashing (high-stepping
rather than shuffling..opps) through the shallow beaches of Baja have never been too serious, thank goodness...just a lot of pain and discomfort. Of
course we treat the wounds quickly with urine, antiseptics and antibiotics if needed. (Has anyone else ever used Adolfs Meat tenderizer to draw out
the bad stuff?  ) Being a mite adventurous and often thrown into harms way, it
helps to have a nurse as a mate.
I recall a wounding incident long ago at Punta Chivato, which is north of Mulege, when a young guy and his girlfriend were snorkling and free-diving
off those nearby low islands..called Santa-something. Poking around in the many holes in some large caves and rocks, the girl encountered a large
eel, agitated it somehow, and it bit her on the ankle/foot. It was a serious wound and very painfull.
There was a retired US Navy veteranarian living at the large house at Punta Chivato then who treated the poor gal for the gashes and infection. He
suggested immediate hospital care, just in case. Luckily, she was then rushed back to San Diego in a small plane furnished by an aero-club that was
having a get-together there on the airstrip. Her young man packed hurriedly and drove their pick-up camper back. We were told much later that she
had some scars, but had healed okay.
The owner of the place told us that the eel was maybe a wolf eel and could inflict a severe bite..especially one that size. He showed us a skull of
an eel he had for a momento. He said this was a wolf eel and it was very nasty looking with large canine teeth...fairly good sized, about the size of
a grapefruit....brrr, would not like to be chewed by that thing.
This is just a recollection of a past event...Do not assume this will happen to you. Many types of eels.. morays, etc... are plentiful in the Cortez,
but are very diver-friendly if not molested, as all experienced divers know.
I did a little research on these wolf eels and noted that Googled sites put thier distribution range in the Pacific... mostly in colder waters from
Japan to US northwest coast down to Imperial Beach, Ca. I guess they range a little further..if this was indeed a wolf eel. Can anyone out there
confirm seeing a true wolf eel in the Cortez?
This is what the toothy wolf eel looks like. Like a lot of things briney, best to look, but not touch.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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A few years back we were camping at the beach about 30 miles south of San Felipe. I've been around saltwater beaches for over 50 years and have never
been stung. Well it finally happened and got it good deep down into the fleshy part of the top of the ankle. I'm sure it bottomed out into the bone.
i immediately called my buddy over and had him pee on it. he thought I lost my mind. we were a few miles from the campsite but fortunately we
flagged down a dune buggier and he gave us a ride back. After 4 hours or more of hot water, the pain subsided enough to bare it. That nite i went
into cold shivers even though it was over 90 degrees out. it took the wound about 6 months to heal completely. it's a pain and experience I do not
want to go thru again. Only thing equal is a sculpin sting.
i know the halibut must have talked to their ray cousins to get even with me.
Halibut Howie
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I've been lucky til now, never been stung or bitten by anything, while diving. I touched once (on purpose) an electric ray (torpedo ray), I wanted to
know if and how it feels like.
YES I'm VERY adventurous, thats why I became a nurse, saved me the hassle to run for a doctor all the time.
I found a small one ( was about 1ft and a half).
OH my,I touched it only with a fingertip on the side, and what a very intense electric sensation I felt !!
With the Moray Eels I usually never had any problems.
The only occasion I was PESTERED by one, was on a divespot where they used to feed them!! I didn't know that when diving there. While cruising around,
at the end of my dive, I picked up a piece of paper that floated around.
The moment I had it in my hand, a Giant Brown Moray Eel came out of her habitat, and went straight to the hand where I held that paper. I could fend
her off with putting my fins between me and her - and at the same time I stuffed that piece of paper in the BCD's pocket of the Divemaster next to me
(my BCD doesn't have any pockets)
The moment that paper was out of sight she left us alone!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by FARASHA
NO WORRIES!! Kelly,...
... So keep going, get your OWD certification, so we can dive TOGETHER!!!!"
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WELLLL!
FARASHA, you promised the first dive to me...I have already placed your name on my dive card..
Off the post out of mind?....
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[ ]Originally posted by Summanus
...just a lot of pain and discomfort. Of course we treat the wounds quickly with urine, antiseptics and antibiotics if needed. (Has anyone else ever
used Adolfs Meat tenderizer to draw out the bad stuff? \
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Adolfs Meat tenderizer is tradionally used for jelly fish stings.
Adolfs contain and enzyme called Papain ( or possibly Paperain) which is found in a natural state in the tropical fruit Payaya.
It's enzymatic action neutalizes the stinging cells of the jelly fish -or so I have been told--every time I have been zapped by a jelly fish good ole
Adolp is at home. now we always have a bottle handy in the trailer.
I donot know its value in a sting ray accident --but from conversations with my wife and reading the posts any theraputic measure would be welcomed.
Recalling the earlier post and my wife's second encounter --the Mexican nationals wanted to find a particular catus to apply to her punchure..
Perhaps it too, contained papain?
However, the best treatment for sting rays remains very hot water.. and as a placation perhaps some hosehold chemical additives...and a few swigs of
an adult beverage.
KELLY--you reading and taking note all of this?
DM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dean miller
| Quote: | Originally posted by FARASHA
NO WORRIES!! Kelly,...
... So keep going, get your OWD certification, so we can dive TOGETHER!!!!"
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WELLLL!
FARASHA, you promised the first dive to me...I have already placed your name on my dive card..
Off the post out of mind?....
DM |
No havn't forgotten about OUR dive - but one needs
1) a back up - dive buddy (you know things happen)
2) we can still have a 3some dive also ( you know nice things happen too)
edited for biggrin
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