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RICHARDH
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Diver and BajaDanD,
If you read "Failure to declare personal effects routinely results in the seizure of the goods as contraband, plus the seizure of the vehicle in which
the goods are traveling for attempted smuggling. The recovery of the seized vehicle involves the payment of substantial fines and attorney's fees."
and you knew nothing else about entering Baja, wouldn't you think the such practices to be pretty draconian? And especially since the customs laws
are so poorly defined, wouldn't you think that's something to be scared about, especially if you usually carry a fair amount of odd-ball camping gear
that conceivably some people might have some sort of a problem with understanding if they happen to be in some weird state of mind? I know from
experience in the US that cops can be in a weird, harassment-prone state of mind, and I'm guessing that that sort of thing might be a more universal
tendency; so I'm usually walking on eggs when it comes to legalistic stuff like that.
That's just an example. As you point out, I've asked questions about other things as well. I won't hash out the reasons for the other questions. I
think the particular reasons for them were quite clear.
It makes perfect sense to me to try to get potential problems like that clarified. It seems to make good sense to be as best prepared as possible for
some of the potential misfortunes that might occur.
I recognize that there are lots of different motivations that can play into the answers I get. Sometimes people only know a small part of the
relevant story. Other times they may have some ulterior motivation (conscious or unconscious) for slanting their answers in various ways. And
sometimes hints of ignorance or bias will come through in the answers. So I like to explore all sorts of variations and sources on questions that
look like they will be important to get good answers for.
I've done lots and lots of traveling, and I've heard lots of stories and done lots of relevant reading as well. I know from experience that it pays
to be wise.
Sorry to spoil your fun with a straight answer.
Richard
quote from Diver:
:::::::Have you considered a trip to the moon ?? or Mars ??
(Oh yeh, man has been there also, it is probably spoiled.
(Oh yeh, you can't get to either planet in an old 2wd truck.
quote from BajaDanD:
I wonder if his CB wiil will work down on the bottom of one of those moon craters.  
OH dont drink the water on Mars either I got Mars'tazuma's Revenge the last time I went there. Oh wait there's no water on Mars maybe it was the
rocks.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RICHARDH
Can anyone please indicate where I can find (non-"tourist") information on visiting Baja for Baja's natural wilderness values?
I really do want to learn a lot about Baja's natural wilderness areas, including those that may be very little known to most tourists (or even
long-term Nortamericano residents/visitors of Baja).
[Edited on 11-16-2006 by RICHARDH] |
Hard to find much up-to-date info on the wilder areas of Baja. The nice thing about the wild areas of Baja is that they are little visited and little
written about. If you stick to the coast, you will find lots of people and lots of RVs and truck campers, etc., and lots of written advice about
where to go. Not what you might call wilderness.
Only place you can get away from the RV, ORV, boating and retiree-expat crowds is the inland desert, ruged mountains and high mountains. Can't be
more specific than that,... you will have to discover your own wilderness, or I will no longer have my wilderness.
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wilderone
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Don't discount some destination because it's on the map and other people have gone there. Just outside those very limited boundaries, it IS
untrammeled wilderness -- as much as you want and probably more than you bargained for. There's no water, plenty of rattlesnakes, thorny cholla and
other cacti and many other hazards. Flash floods are not uncommon - any narrow canyon is susceptible, there are reports of cougar stalkings, it can
freeze at night in January, the wind can blow 65 mph and drive a stinging sand storm. If you are prepared, you should not need to ferret out details
- just do it. It is illogical to expect to find information on wilderness where nobody has gone.
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RICHARDH
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Zac, mtgoat666, wilderone:
Zac,
Many thanks for your comments about San Pedro Martyr. SPM is now back at or near the top of my list of places to visit for natural wilderness.
mtgoat666, wilderone,
Thanks for your encouraging comments.
mtgoat666,
Your comments about the RV, ORV, boating and retiree-expat crowds vis-a-vis the coast, the inland desert, and the rugged and/or high mountains are
along the lines of what I was surmising. Its nice to have a degree of confirmation for those ideas.
wilderone,
I agree that there is a certain "illogic" or at least a kind of "tension" about looking for information on natural, untrammeled wilderness. But _IF_
there is something written or reported (or a map available) about some area I might think likely to be natural, untrammeled wilderness, I'd like to
know about it. It kind of helps in trying to focus better on the relevant possibilities. Ultimately, I will probably want to explore some areas
because there is a blank space on the map for such places. But it helps to know what is generally known about the nearby places and the region as
well.
Richard
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wilderone
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You will be pleasantly surprised to find all the untrammeled wilderness you can handle.
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Cypress
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Untrammeled wilderness? Sounds good.
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David K
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Richard, please find time to cruise my web sites (links below) as they are mainly about natural and historic sites in Baja... not Cabo, Rosarito, etc.
A 4WD or off pavement vehicle is key to exploring the best of Baja and there is plenty to hike to from the end of the road!
Canyons are great: http://vivabaja.com/404
Missions, rock art and geology are great: http://vivabaja.com/403
Las Pintas is great: http://vivabaja.com/pintas
El Marmol and El Volcan are great: http://vivabaja.com/marmol
The new paved road into the San Pedro Martir and a trip from near Meling Ranch past Mike's Sky Rancho to Hwy. 3 is detailed here: http://vivabaja.com/905
Heck, it's all great!
I am happy to help, please contact me if there is something that I can provide! info*at*vivabaja.com
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Cypress
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Wilderness areas are off limits for any mechanical/motorized equipment. Horses are allowed. Neat country where you can really get away from the crowd.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Wilderness areas are off limits for any mechanical/motorized equipment. Horses are allowed. Neat country where you can really get away from the crowd. |
What are you talking about? This is about sites in Baja California, Mexico... away from cities and resorts... If you want to call that a 'wilderness
area, go ahead. But, I have never seen signs closing off dirt roads in any area I have visited or written about. Closing public lands to the public is
usually a stupid American thing. Mexico needs people to come and visit and appreciate the land... to return again and again.
Trying to preserve the historic sites through appreciation and awareness is what we are doing... See http://vivabaja.com/missions
Closing off an area to law abideing people won't help and the sites will be lost to vandals or the elements.
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Cypress
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Oops! Was thinking about wilderness areas north of the border. Open to all members of the public that are willing to walk etc. and leave their
vehicles behind.
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David K
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Ok, I was getting scared Cypress... thanks for clearing that up! 
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