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Barry A.
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Ensenada Alcatraz????? (to be specific)
-----and I believe that Wiles aerial photo is of Alcatraz.
There just are not that many "back bays" along this coast between Gonzaga and San Francisquito. (s. end of Gonzaga----- s. end of BOLA----- sw side
of Animas------nw side of Animas------Bahia Remedios/Guadalupe------Boca Grande-------) that is all I can think of.
David K------I went to your website but I cannot figure out how to access your site-specific sat photos. What am I doing wrong??
[Edited on 11-29-2006 by Barry A.]
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Barry A., you need to use Google Earth.
Assuming Doug is not trying to throw us off track with his image, it is the northernmost of the three small coves just north of Isla Alcatraz.
Pretty impressive to drive in there as a single vehicle with the family no less, Doug.
[Edited on 11-29-2006 by Hook]
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Barry A.
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Thanks, Hook-----
I do have GOOGLE EARTH and I went there and confirmed all you say.
I just could not find David K's site-specific list of SAT photos, which I guess are from Google Earth.
Anyway, I found all I needed--------that is a place that I HAVE to explore by vehicle----only been there by 12 ' alum boat about 23 years ago, but
even at that time there were vehicle tracks at the s. end of the northern most rocky beach (first major rocky beach s. of Punta Remedios). We went
ashore at each of the baylets south of there but saw no veh. tracks at that time around any of them----only at the north rocky beach. For years and
years we wondered how those vehicles got there, and now we know. Amazing, and yes Doug was pretty gutsy going in there on that "rush" trip alone.
Perhaps he was not alone????
Barry
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Barry: David, I believe, is referring to his list of links to Google Maps in this thread:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=10620
And yes, we were solo.
Hook: The picture posted is the place we were - no sleight of hand.
I'm curious which possible situation/risk/danger made this "impressive" or "gutsy" to you?
(edit to add): While I pondered current safety issues beforehand ( http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=20860 ), most of the troubles seemed to have a common denominator of proximity to the highway - and
I went with the philosophy that bad roads bring good people.
Although windy, I like this area, and wish to further explore the bays to the south towards Isla Alcatraz off the southernmost point
of this series of bays. The sandbank/sandbar "beach" by where we were doesn't disappoint though.
I've never seen a name for this actual inlet on any map. "Bahía de los Nómadas" now perhaps? (or is it supposed to be "las Nómadas"?)
Tomas: The "rec" area turnoff from the highway was only about - maybe - 15-20 minutes south of El Rosario. I think Km. 82. Then about 6 miles from
the highway. They looked to be making it into a camping location. I wouldn't take an RV or long trailer in there though, at least not with the
present road (some very soft/steep places).
Andy... thanks for your comments. 
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[Edited on 11-29-2006 by BajaNomad]
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Barry A.
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Thanks, Doug-----
----I am thinking the "gutsy" part is that I have always thought that it was a rough road into that area (an almost "unknown", in fact) and that
therefore it did not receive much traffic, so if you break down you are a long way from possible help. Maybe that simply is not so. I sure want to
visit that place sometime.
I did not know that it even existed (the road/trail/track?) until joining the "NOMADS" board.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Really enjoyed sharing your kids with you.... |
You can always babysit some time if you'd like me to "share"
them more.
(just teasing you there "Bern-dog") 
| Quote: | | did you lose a bit of the bags around the eyes |
Possibly. But they'll be back by the end of this week. 
Thanks Bernie. I do appreciate your comments.
Regards,
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Doug
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Ditto on what Barry A. said, in terms of the potential for trouble. Car trouble, not people trouble.
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Doug drives a 4WD TOYOTA TACOMA... 'nuff said!
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Barry A.
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David------
That is what worried me. My automatic tranny blew up without any warning at 65K on my Toy Camry-----and yes, it had always been serviced by the
dealer, exactly as the manual suggested.
Poof, $3,200 gone----2 months out of extended warrantee.
You just never know, for sure, even with a Toy-----------
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I also wasnt aware that Toys were also immune to flat tires. All it would take would be ONE flat in deep sand and you could have a heck of a time
jacking it up to even get a spare on. I hope Doug carries some kind of platform for this. Fix a Flat doesnt work in ALL cases.
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Doug, I applaud you for your sense of adventure. Sometimes you just have to have a little bit of risk involved to make it FUN.
I am reminded of a quote from the movie SandLot.... (Which, by the way, is one of the best and funniest movies ever made....)
"Anyone who wants to be a can't-hack-it pantywaist who wears their mama's bra, raise your hand. ":moon:
(JUST KIDDING!!! Hook and Barry)
[Edited on 12-1-2006 by bajaandy]
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Doug, your photos and trip report were outstanding. Seems like one heck of a great 4-day trip it turned out be with "nothing set in stone"....
Fantastic memories you and your family will have if you keep this up.
Thanks for sharing.
Bob H
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Barry A.
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bajaandy--------
I applaud Doug, too------that is exactly what we said in our posts, so not sure where you are coming from.
Still, I don't have to have "risk" in my life to have fun-----in fact risk and responsibility make me a little nervous when on vacation-----I had
enough of that on my job.
But if "risk" is what makes your day, then go for it. But please don't cry out for help from me when you get in trouble.
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Barry,
My post was meant in jest. No offense meant.... I must have mis-interpreted your post. It sounded like you thought going out to someplace remote
with only one vehicle was bad idea.
And please note.... I said a LITTLE bit of risk makes it fun. Hope you'll still be there for me if I need you.
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Barry A.
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andy-----
----not "bad", just gutsy!!!
I guess I am just being a little "sour grapes" as I spent a good part of 30 years helping get folks out of "risky" situations in the "wild"------makes
one a little judgemental, I suppose. 
I have done things just as "risky" myself, but sometimes look back in wonder at my "luck".
Just call-------and I WILL come!! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I also wasnt aware that Toys were also immune to flat tires. All it would take would be ONE flat in deep sand and you could have a heck of a time
jacking it up to even get a spare on. I hope Doug carries some kind of platform for this. Fix a Flat doesnt work in ALL cases.
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I hope you know I say these things about Toyota for fun and laughs... It is about the best I have seen for both being trouble free and able to go
anywhere... Neal Johns got me thinking Toyota... specially when the Ford dealer didn't want to help me get out of my Plymouth van. I am sure glad I
went to Toyota.
But, yes even mighty Toyota Tacomas can break in Baja! Do you guys remeber what happened to Neal Johns somewhere between La Virgen and El Marmol a few
years ago? Thank goodness for his satellite phone!
http://vivabaja.com/neal2
[Edited on 12-1-2006 by David K]
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A little bailing wire and some gum and i could fix that thing right up.
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Ok, I just need to know the road conditions after the 13 hours of rain they got from the last hurricane, and in particular the condition of the dry
lake bed and arroyos. Also, I windsurf and kite, so did you get an "el norte" wind? We have camped at the La Gringa area since '87, but Don Roberto
sold out and the word is that our old spot is fenced and gated...thus the interest on your "secret" spot, thanks. ciao.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by windsurfeddy
Ok, I just need to know the road conditions after the 13 hours of rain they got from the last hurricane, and in particular the condition of the dry
lake bed and arroyos. Also, I windsurf and kite, so did you get an "el norte" wind? We have camped at the La Gringa area since '87, but Don Roberto
sold out and the word is that our old spot is fenced and gated...thus the interest on your "secret" spot, thanks. ciao. |
When the kids and I camped near Doug's secret beach and again at Candeleros to the north over New Years week, 2003 both dry lake beds had water on
them (puddles, not covered) and the road across Laguna Agua Amarga stays mostly to the left (west) side of the lake heading north from the L.A. Bay
highway...
The surface was firm and 4WD wasn't used.
The sand washes through the canyons were easy to drive on (Arroyo Mesa de Yubay, etc.).
The second dry lake that was wet (Laguna Seca) also presented no problem even though the road north to Candeleros crossed over the middle of that
lake.
A couple pictures at http://vivabaja.com/1202
GPS of these routes are in my GPS web page at VivaBaja.com
[Edited on 12-1-2006 by David K]
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Thanks David K., your road info helps cure pre-trip anxieties which seem to go away soon as you hit the road! I will get the GPS coordinates from
your site...got some already from the Becknoning web site {go to Google, enter Bahia Guadalupe}. Again, thanks. ciao.
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