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[*] posted on 11-30-2006 at 10:16 PM


Yeah fdt --- That's what youth is ........... a learning period.
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[*] posted on 12-1-2006 at 11:01 PM


I remember reading somewhere that North American Indians had excellent teeth before the Europeans arrived, but when the Europeans introduced corn into the Indians' diet, the Indians' teeth began to rot.

A dentist recently seemed to confirm that tortilla chips aren't good for the teeth. I was asking him about what foods tend to cause cavities. I told him I was addicted to tortilla chips. So now I've stopped eating tortilla chips.
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[*] posted on 12-1-2006 at 11:12 PM


Richard,

I know a doctor that says air is bad for you.....:O
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 12:21 AM


Actually, I only stopped eating bagged chips.

The fresh chips and salsa at a Mexican restaurant I go to taste so good, I just can't resist them.
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 12:52 AM


Si sube el precio de la carne y sube el precio de los cigaros, pues nomas compro menos carne, dijo mi ama:lol:



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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 12:54 AM


And in the same note of lard or no lard, bueno or no bueno, mi ama said "No sean tan delicagadillos, pues por eso se enferman"



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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 01:28 AM
Yes lard is nasty stuff


but how can you make a perfect pie crust without it??
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 06:21 AM


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but how can you make a perfect pie crust without it??


2 cups flour
1/2 cup oil
1/4 cup water

Stir with fork until LIGHTLY mixed. (It will not come together fully)
Form into round pile between 2 layers of wax paper and roll out. DO NOT overmix even though you will want to.
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 11:33 AM


agreed, lencho, I thought it was the other way around.:?:



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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 11:42 AM


Yep, corn is native to the Americas so the Indians introduced it to the Euros. Probably sugar is what they brought--its been in Eurasia for a couple millenia.
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 12:02 PM
consider...


enjoying flour tortillas in moderation....then doing something physical......and live.
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[*] posted on 12-2-2006 at 01:50 PM


Europeans brought wheat. It's a big cultural stand-off and the Tamal is the symbol of resistance to change. It's been here since that Aztecs, if I may use that word, and represents the past as well as the present and future.
Personally, I prefer the abomination Tamale, made by Xlnt, available in the states. Thinner, less doughy corn shell and lots of indescribable gooey filling. The next best thing to cholesterol in a can.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2006 at 04:18 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Europeans introduced native Americans to Corn? :?:

--Larry


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agreed, lencho, I thought it was the other way around.:?:


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Yep, corn is native to the Americas so the Indians introduced it to the Euros. Probably sugar is what they brought--its been in Eurasia for a couple millenia.



I Googled on 'corn history' and on 'corn "tooth decay"', and it looks like yes indeed, corn was developed and cultivated by New World Indians, and corn does not grow wild. But it appears that not all Native Americans ate corn. Here are a couple of links regarding corn (more generally, carbohydrates) and tooth decay.

I would guess that the introduction of (New World) corn was to native Americans who hadn't been eating corn.


http://naturalhygienesociety.org/articles/teeth1.html

Notable quotes:

Regarding meat-eating North American natives living in severely cold climates where agriculture was not feasible: "in several groups examined not a single tooth was found that had ever been attacked by tooth decay ... "

"Where the Indians were using the white man's food tooth decay was very severe. . ."

"The prehistoric Indians of California were vegetarians, unlike most folks of that period, and they had tooth decay. In contrast, the Sioux Indians lived on buffalo meat and were devoid of cavities. The Pueblos worshipped the Corn God, but he was not grateful. They have the most wretched teeth of all the American Indian tribes. They lived on corn, squash and beans."

"Sugar consumption causes tooth decay NOT because it promotes bacterial growth in the mouth, as most dentists believe, BUT because it alters the internal body chemistry."

And from http://www.massdental.org/public/wordofmouth.cfm?doc_id=1519 :

"Starch is another element in food that, when combined with the bacteria in your mouth, can wreak havoc with your teeth and gums. ... But like sugar, starch can also be found in such unexpected places as bananas, canned soup, prepared spaghetti sauce, salad dressings, and even some vegetables (corn, potatoes, and peas, for example)."
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[*] posted on 12-4-2006 at 07:27 PM


Yes lard is nasty stuff
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but how can you make a perfect pie crust without it??



That's easy Sharks , just substitute butter:yes:
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[*] posted on 12-4-2006 at 08:51 PM


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I love research. How many of the sources you ran upon, mentioned the stone particles that were included in most processed corn products until metal grinding mills were introduced?

--Larry


I didn't notice.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2006 at 09:59 PM


Stone particles in food? Good for digestion. I used to feed my pigeons grit. Stone particles. Good for digestion.
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