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shari
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alarming rumors about a big quake in Asuncion on the 28th or 29th
At a family gathering this evening there was an interesting discussion about a rumor we have been hearing that I thought was a joke but some are
taking VERY seriously...the story goes that some fellow who predicted the twin towers disaster has also predicted that a major quake will occur in
baja around the 28th or 29th of December and that the baja will separate and become an island!!! Whoa...and the topic of the underground tunnel under northern baja came up again as the place where it will
split...hmmm. I have been hearing this theory about an underground tunnel for many years as supposedly a gray whale had been photographed and
identified around san diego and in just a short time it appeared up in the gulf thus "proving" that the tunnel exists Anyway, tonight we had a surprise quake with a real loud BOOM which made us all
scream...I hate it when that happens. So we are all feeling a little more nervous these days and I guess I'll have to put my emergency pack back by
the door again. Has anyone else heard about this prediction about baja splitting??? I'm gonna invest in some ferries!
Gorgeous weather though, low 80's and lovely temp water for swimming and surfing.
[Edited on 12-27-2006 by shari]
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jerry
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dang and the road was just getting real good
jerry and judi
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Stickers
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Isla Baja
Baja will be an island in about one million years but not on the 28th or 29th of December. I have made other predictions with perfect accuracy but
this one is easy.
Anything else?  
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capt. mike
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better call Art Bell on this one.
BTW - would he have any lottery numbers for this week's power ball?
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Summanus
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Si...an island in the making, for sure. Baja Sur has been moving away from the mainland at about the rate of 1 inch per year for mucho mellenia
now...but it will be some time before it's an island. But, shari...it wouldn't hurt to pack that packsack anyway. Baja has it's own sense of humor.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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David K
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Not just Baja, but some of Alta (California) as well... all of it that is west of the San Andreas fault...
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surfer jim
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Do I sense another SHELL ISLAND controversy coming up?......
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Summanus
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Is that Shell Island in Wales or Florida?
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
Do I sense another SHELL ISLAND controversy coming up?......
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If Baja does separate [ ] and become like shell island, maybe it will
keep some of the riff-raff out  The only way in and out will be at low tide, and
you need a 4x4 to get there
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MrBillM
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Islandia California
Since we're into making gratuitous predictions, I Predict that, "in one Million years Baja AND Alta California will
BOTH break away from the mainland as one unit, but remain connected to the contiguous U.S. via Oregon. Although the "New" entity will then declare
itself an Independent Islamic nation, the United States will quickly deploy troops and reclaim the territory with minimum loss of life. The President
and Congress will then declare that Baja is beyond Mexican Territorial control and will annex the territory and it will become the 60th state in the
Union.
Should any of my prescient claims for one million years in the future turn out to be in error, I will welcome and acknowledge the corrections at that
time, although I am confident that my forecast is as provable as anyone else's.
Give it a BREAK. Thus far, there have been NO documented forecasts of catastrophic Seismic activity. I don't expect any in the near future. Rumors
are fun, though !
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DianaT
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Hang on to the pangas
Shari,
Just think, instead of having pariadise on a bay, you could have an island paradise----
Diane
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What should we name the new island? Baja de Baja won't do. We could join the small island group to the south, the Revillagigedos but that's a tongue
twister (only 2 guys in our town can pronounce it and then only when they are wasted on mezcal). (besides, there's another one in Alaska) My vote
would be NOMAN. It makes a statement, is easy to say, is probably true.
Shari, I predict no big tremors soon!
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David K
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Well, the island had a name even before it was discovered... and later it was discovered to be a peninsula... The name? CALIFORNIA
The lands north of the peninsula was eventually called ALTA (Upper) California... The peninsula was still just CALIFORNIA... Until the padres moved
north and the Franciscans ran ALTA CALIFORNIA missions and the Dominicans ran BAJA (Lower) CALIFORNIA missions.
When the gringos moved in, the Alta part was dropped to shorten the name to one word... So things switched! BAJA WAS 'CALIFORNIA' FIRST!
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BajaGeoff
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Has there been any other discussion about the tunnel between the Sea of Cortez and the Pacific? I think the notion of that, while unlikely, is pretty
fascinating. That would be one hell of a scuba dive!!
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Osprey
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Geoff, not a tunnel, a canal.
Canal Transpeninsular
The keystone of the project known as Escalera Nautica, the Nautical Ladder, was the marina at Santa Rosallilita and the new road from the marina to
Mexican Highway One. The plan, for this crucial first phase of the project, was to make the third rung of the ladder going south, a safe, modern
harbor from which U.S. and other boaters could transport their boats across land to an improved marina facility in the Sea of Cortez.
FONATUR, the Mexican project developers, believed the plan, when completed, would entice many U.S. west coast boat owners to venture south to resort
destinations like Cabo San Lucas, La Paz, Mazatlan. It was their hope that some larger boats would be drawn to ports in the northern part of the Sea
of Cortez, such as San Carlos and Guymas and those on the mainland such as Acapulco and Puerta Vallarta. The developers were convinced they could put
in place the necessary supply, storage, docking and repair facilities to lure boaters who formerly found the voyage south from the Pacific west coast
impossible or extremely difficult because of the dangers of severe weather, lack of fueling facilities, safe harbors for anchoring in rough seas or
vessel breakdowns.
Counting from the ladder’s top step, at the border, the first two rungs, the ones the U.S. boaters would first encounter on the long run south,
Colonet and Punta Canoas, were planned to be no more than emergency fuel supply depots. While FONATUR was pouring millions of pesos into the marina
to the south, these two dots on the map showed little change. The developers had never experienced the boat trip south, did not know that about 80%
of the time, no vessel could safely fuel at these intermediate unprotected facilities because of sea current, tide or waves. The first leg of the
trip to Bahia Tortuga, the one and only safe harbor with fuel, was still devoid of services, aids to navigation, dedicated anchorage, was 400 miles
from San Diego -- boaters, sailors, yacht owners remained unconvinced the top part of the ladder was safe.
A few curious stateside mariners made the trip. They took advantage of the many empty slips in the Santa Rosallilita marina, savored the local
lobster served at the new dockside restaurants, even bought T shirts and souvenirs at the cute little shops on the bay. In FONATURE’S luxurious
office headquarters, five bigscreen TVs sang their siren song, tapes or discs displayed the boater’s paradise awaiting the weary travelers in Bahia de
Los Angeles only a 139 kilometer magic carpet ride to the east — the ever calm and azure waters of the Sea of Cortez lay just over the next hill.
Recreation World was watching as the first few boats made the trip across land. On the third transport, disaster struck. A rollover totaled a
Mediterranean 38 ($300,000 hull damage) and a bad launch tore up the stern and keel of a pricey antique Norwegian sailboat. When news of “No Hull
Coverage” hit the ‘net, it signaled the end of the crossings.
The awful terrorist attacks in 2001 and 2005 made worldwide changes FONATURE could not have anticipated. Lloyd’s of London, the largest of 7
reinsurors for marine hull coverage, had been gutted by the disasters in New York, Washington and San Francisco. Since conventional hull coverage had
always been both difficult to come by and very expensive for coverage in Mexican waters, it was now, without Lloyd’s, and others to take on a
percentage of the risk involved in the haul, transport and launch of these pricey toys, totally out of the question. So, no insurance, no
Transpeninsula transport. The new and improved harbor facility with all the trimmings at Bahia de Los Angeles lay waiting for the boats that never
came.
Meetings. That is the usual way to solve problems, hold meeting. Meetings there were; in Mexico City, London, Los Angeles. A Mexican engineer by
the name of Octavio Ojeda came up with the idea of the canal. He had done some planning for this particular meeting and his portfolio was brimming
with charts and maps and tables. He presented a CD program of scratchy old black and white film recording the planning of the Panama Canal. Original
plans had been for a sea-level canal -- the plan for the lock type canal won out by a slim margin of votes -- Lake Gatun, one of the world’s largest
artificial bodies of fresh water, had a great deal to do with the decision. Ojeda explained that a canal, from the Pacific to the Sea of Cortez,
using the existing harbors, but a more direct route than the existing highway, would be 57 miles long, 23 miles shorter than the Panama Canal.
First hold meetings, then conduct studies. Ojeda was instructed to hire a consulting firm to look into the feasibility of such a project. Satellites
and computers made it possible to get quick and accurate answers to questions like “How deep and how wide should the canal be?”, “How long would it
take?” and the big one “How much will this cost?” The big hurdle, The Fault Line, was tied to all three questions. The sand could be moved by
machines, the granite base would have to be moved by the detonation of explosives. Almost 30 miles of the projected route was granite. The engineers
had risks managers who knew that powerful U.S. groups would press the Mexican government to recognize that a long series of massive explosions could
effect the stability of the Pacific tectonic plate at the mid-peninsula fault line — a small jolt in the south might cause ripples that could trigger
quakes in Southern California.
The hurdle was not simply a single leap over one wooden bar. The cost of excavation was directly tied to the cost of machine excavation versus the
use of explosives. Now the canal project brought together hundreds of thousands of people, in California and elsewhere, to form a cohesive group with
a single mission: Stop the Canal Project. One would be hard pressed to find a project anywhere in the world, since the beginning of time, that so
galvanized people, that made a more solid bloc of powerful organizations with disparate, long-standing, well defined goals.
The Greenpeace group now embraced the Anti Pollution folks while the Earthquake Watch doomsday fanatics and the marine “We Are Killing the World’s
Oceans” bunch were all huggin’ and kissin’. Global Warming Watch was sure the cut would unbalance Pacific water temperatures and add to the
disastrous effects of El Niño while major sportfishing and commercial fishing groups warned of the potential for lose of whole species of important
sport/food fish caused by the cut.
Since the most powerful opposition came from the Fault/Quake group, it was finally agreed that an international group would install, calibrate and
monitor seismic measurement devices at appropriate intervals along the North American Plate fault line which runs near the center of the Baja
California peninsula to a point just above the project’s path. The group set the parameters for maximum limits of seismic magnitude for excavation
detonations.
Mexico and FONATUR got the go-ahead on October 30, engineers and contractors were instructed to make final preparations to begin the big dig. The
canal would be 56.4 miles long, 91 meters side to side, 30 meters in depth. The project was begun on November 20, Mexico’s Dia Nacional, the day the
nation celebrates the revolution of 1910 -- a civil war between the president and a rival. There were setbacks early on — they tried to dig right
under the existing highway while they erected bridge supports under the existing roadway of Highway One, the lone artery south, from the U.S. border
to La Paz, near the tip of the peninsula. The roadway collapsed in the early morning of February 12th. Seven people were killed, all of them
Mexicans, who drove right off the edge — in three separate vehicles, minutes apart. The bridge warning lights had been installed too close to the
structure, went over the edge in the collapse.
Crews worked day and night for the next 102 days to Skycrane into the gap a sturdy bridge structure upon which they hurriedly paved a new section of
concrete roadway to replace the awful, washboard detour that so plagued the weary travelers. The digging and dredging continued, grinding slowly to
the east toward Bahia de Los Angeles. The project crews drilling, blasting, excavating, dredging from the east were outperforming their counterparts
to the west. No delays here. Twenty three hard miles of canal were completed from the Bay of L.A. westward on the same day only 18.6 miles were
complete in the west.
The Canal Transpeninsular was going to be a reality. Because it was drawing worldwide news coverage, Mexico and FONATUR gave the project their full
support -- only $19M (of the original cost projection for the whole Escalera Nautica plan, $350M) had gone into installing and/or improving other
Ladder Steps. When the rest of the money, the $331M, had been expended on the canal project alone, President Echeverria had no trouble at all with
the congress; an additional $210M was made available to finish The Canal.
There were several grand openings. In the first, the real one, on June 2l, 2012, most of the guests and news crews had to come in by chopper. The
water began to fill the canal from both ends at a place in the desert far from the highway. The access roads were still clogged with huge trucks,
earth-movers, dredge support equipment. A grand celebration made bigger, better news when crowds gathered for fireworks, marching bands and confetti
parades at Bahia de Los Angeles Harbor and Santa Rosallilita Marinas a few days later. Several camera crews shot the historic voyage of the first
boat to travel the canal; one crew followed the craft, shot the crossing from the access road. The second crew filmed the crossing from the boat,
capturing forever the excitement and the sound of success; champagne bottles pop, popping.
Now the record keepers, and the Mexican Congress were holding their collective breaths for The Parade of Boats. By the first day of 2013, 121 boats
paid for the crossing from the Pacific side. On the last day of the same year, a total of 983 boats had paid to cross. During the same period, a
total of 221 boats had paid to go the other way, from the Sea of Cortez to the Pacific.
Some smart-alec newspeople contacted FONATUR’S former CEO, John McCarthy, now retired to a villa in Antiqua, for an interview. When asked about the
original prediction that 61,000 boats would make the trip south by the year 2014 he had a ready answer.
“You must remember that number was the prediction when the whole Escalera Nautica plan was begun. No reliable predictions could be made about new
marine visitors after the plan changes brought about by the development of the Canal Transpeninsular. When I was there, the President told me to put
all available resources into the canal project.”
One intrepid reporter from Rueters asked. “Have you ever used the canal, taken your boat through the canal you built?”
The retiree chuckled and said “No way. Esperanza is too big. She might bump on the bottom or the sides. Besides, she’s in Aruba for repairs right
now.”
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Summanus
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Yes, I think the discussion comes from reading '20,000 kilometers under the Cortez', a recently discovered and scholarly narrative by Jules Verne.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Geoff, not a tunnel, a canal.
Canal Transpeninsular
The keystone of the project known as Escalera Nautica, the Nautical Ladder, was the marina at Santa Rosallilita and the new road from the marina to
Mexican Highway One. The plan, for this crucial first phase of the project, was to make the third rung of the ladder going south, a safe, modern
harbor from which U.S. and other boaters could transport their boats across land to an improved marina facility in the Sea of Cortez.
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Maybe they will let the whales hitch a ride over to Santa Rosallilita so they don't have to swim so far. They never liked swimming through the long
tunnel anyway.
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David K
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Geoff was refering to the beginning post by Shari where she said:
"Whoa...and the topic of the underground tunnel under northern baja came up again as the place where it will split...hmmm. I have been hearing this
theory about an underground tunnel for many years as supposedly a gray whale had been photographed and identified around san diego and in just a short
time it appeared up in the gulf thus "proving" that the tunnel exists..."
This is not about the land bridge for yachts... more of a tunnel for subs and whales that don't need to breath for a day or two or ?? Unless there are
air pockets inside this underground tunnel..!!
I knew someone in the 80's that said San Diego County was floating and Scripps subs have gone under it!! He also said JFK was still alive in Dallas in
a secret room visited once a year by Jackie!!!
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Frank
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The tunnel is where the whales lay there eggs, everyone knows that.
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Dia de los innocentes...December 28th
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