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Marmeon
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Baja First Aide for things that sting
Reading the posts about biting/stinging insects in Baja in the Discussion Forum has gotten me thinking about the first aide kit I'm bringing on my
Mulege to Loreto kayaking trip in February. I'm bringing vinegar for the jellies, and tequila (for medicinal purposes), of course. I have no known
allergies to venoms, but I'll be a long way from medical care and will need to get there under my own steam. What else would you suggest in the event
I get stung by a Tarantula Hawk Wasp or a scorpion?
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Bajagypsy
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I would suggest that you bring antihistamines (sp???), antibotic (sp???) cream such as polysporin, and more tequila than you think you need.
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Skeet/Loreto
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fOR SCORPION Stings- Always have some Instant Coffee around.--Damp lightly and place on Sting -Wrap lightly- Keep Damp for at least 20 Minutes.
Also if you dog is showing signs of upset Stomach- Give him a Cup of Coffee with Milk in a Bowl- It works !!!
Skeet/Loreto
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wilderone
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Tea tree oil is an antiseptic and used as a protection against or treatment for jungle rot, minor burns, cuts, abrasions, insect bites, sunburn,
infections, athlete's foot, and other external fungal and bacterial problems. I used it extensively to decrease itching caused by mosquito and ant
bites. Also, get something called Sting Ease for bites too. You might appreciate muscle ache stuff for aching shoulders and prevention of carpal
tunnel in the forearm. IMHO, I don't think you'll need the vinegar for jelly fish stings. Of course, take anti-inflammatories. My worst problem on
a long kayak trip was blisters on my thumbs.
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Cameron
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First Aid for Stings/Bites...
I carry a Sawyer "Venom Pump" in my first aid kit. It's the best short-term topical treatment available for snakebites, and it works pretty well for
insect stings and helps a little bit with stingray stings too. You can find them online at: http://www.sawyerproducts.com/sawyer_products/pages/extracto...
For non-venomous insect bites (..Mosquitos, sand fleas, etc.), I like "Sting-Eze", or any other topical lotion with 5% or more Benzocaine as an active
ingredient.
As far as Jellyfish go, Adolph's Meat Tenderizer helps some, as will Vodka (..Applied to the skin, not in a highball glass with OJ and ice  ).
Have a great trip!.. Cameron
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FARASHA
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I would think of a working cellphone, with all Emergency phonenumbers stored in it. Plus a Flaregun - to call for help - you never know if you'll b
able to treat all problems yourself. Especially if there is an unexpected serious allergic or anaphylactic reaction, or injury!!
My 2 cents as a professional nurse.
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ursidae69
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These venom suction devices are not worth a penny. Several studies have shown that they do not work, extracting less than 1% of the venom, and in
fact concentrate the venom closer to the skin which causes more side-effects. Couple of peer-reviewed articles I suggest you read before you buy this
crappy sawyer pump.
Suction for venomous snakebite: A study of “mock venom” extraction in a human model. Michael B. Alberts MD, Marc Shalit MD, and Fred LoGalbo MD.
Annals of Emergency Medicine Volume 43, Issue 2 , February 2004, Pages 181-186.
Snakebite suction devices don't remove venom: They just suck, Annals of Emergency Medicine, Volume 43, Issue 2, February 2004, Pages 187-188
Sean P. Bush
Plus many more.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cameron
I carry a Sawyer "Venom Pump" in my first aid kit. It's the best short-term topical treatment available for snakebites, and it works pretty well for
insect stings and helps a little bit with stingray stings too. You can find them online at: http://www.sawyerproducts.com/sawyer_products/pages/extracto...
For non-venomous insect bites (..Mosquitos, sand fleas, etc.), I like "Sting-Eze", or any other topical lotion with 5% or more Benzocaine as an active
ingredient.
As far as Jellyfish go, Adolph's Meat Tenderizer helps some, as will Vodka (..Applied to the skin, not in a highball glass with OJ and ice ).
Have a great trip!.. Cameron |
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vgabndo
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WOW, thanks ursidae69 for that information. I have a couple of them and have put a lot of stock in their potential value. I do home inspections, so
crawling under houses is the love of my life.  Black Widows are VERY common in
season.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Cameron
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Venom Pumps...
| Quote: | Originally posted by ursidae69
These venom suction devices are not worth a penny. Several studies have shown that they do not work, extracting less than 1% of the venom, and in
fact concentrate the venom closer to the skin which causes more side-effects. Couple of peer-reviewed articles I suggest you read before you buy this
crappy sawyer pump.
Suction for venomous snakebite: A study of “mock venom” extraction in a human model. Michael B. Alberts MD, Marc Shalit MD, and Fred LoGalbo MD.
Annals of Emergency Medicine Volume 43, Issue 2 , February 2004, Pages 181-186.
Snakebite suction devices don't remove venom: They just suck, Annals of Emergency Medicine, Volume 43, Issue 2, February 2004, Pages 187-188
Sean P. Bush
Plus many more.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cameron
I carry a Sawyer "Venom Pump" in my first aid kit. It's the best short-term topical treatment available for snakebites, and it works pretty well for
insect stings and helps a little bit with stingray stings too. You can find them online at: http://www.sawyerproducts.com/sawyer_products/pages/extracto...
For non-venomous insect bites (..Mosquitos, sand fleas, etc.), I like "Sting-Eze", or any other topical lotion with 5% or more Benzocaine as an active
ingredient.
As far as Jellyfish go, Adolph's Meat Tenderizer helps some, as will Vodka (..Applied to the skin, not in a highball glass with OJ and ice ).
Have a great trip!.. Cameron |
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Thanks for the info! Makes for very interesting reading for sure. Looks like I'll have to think twice before using a pump on a snake bite.
I haven't had to use my Sawyer pump yet, but I have seen one in use on a fresh Stingray wound. It sure seemed to help the victim a lot. How much of
that was a placebo effect, and how much was due to the pump itself? I can't answer that for sure, but for $10, it was a no-brainer when I saw it on
the shelf.
Thanks again! C
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David K
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Tea Tree Oil (Melaleuca alternifolia)... as stated above... Keep a small bottle on you and use it for any skin injury from sunburn to stings to cuts.
Amazing soothing and healing properties. Available from health food stores, some drug stores... and Melaleuca Inc. direct marketing folks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Tea Tree Oil (Melaleuca alternifolia)... Available from health food stores... |
Including Trader Joe's.
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Including Trader Joe's.
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newest trader joe's to open a week from this friday on rosecrans at the old Naval Training Center. can't wait. the drive to PB gets old...
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bajaguy
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TRADER JOE's
Where is the closest TJ's to the border on either I-5 or the 805???
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AmoPescar
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bajaguy
Looks like HILLCREST in San Diego at 1090 University Avenue.
Nothing in Chula Vista, National City or San Ysidro.
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coconaco
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Aqua Mollies
Limon y caliente arena en baja
Jelly Fish
You run back to the beach house for the tenderizer.
Benadryl saved my life.
I never travel without it.
And if you need help falling asleep or get a cold.
THE MINNOW must be lost!!!!!
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Taco de Baja
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Lanacane anti-itch is nice to have. Stops the itch from skeeter and other inscet bites. May help relieve the pain of a sting too.
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ursidae69
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I have not read studies on the efficacy of this product with insect stings. I have an extractor, but wouldn't use it for snakebites. Maybe an insect
sting or sting ray because they are so much closer to the skin. The snake fangs go too deep into to the flesh and the extractor just sucks out
interstitial fluid.
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
WOW, thanks ursidae69 for that information. I have a couple of them and have put a lot of stock in their potential value. I do home inspections, so
crawling under houses is the love of my life. Black Widows are VERY common in
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vgabndo
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If a Viuda Negra DOES get me, I fully intend to use the extractor...can't see any harm. While I recognize that it is very unlikely that the venom
would kill me, I'd like to minimize the symptoms.
I have always told people that if you are healthy, you should have no fear, but start making your way toward the emergency room because that is where
they keep the DEMOROL. I believe most people will need it for the cramps.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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bajaguy
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TEA TREE OIL
Australian Tea Tree Oil, at Trader Joe's, price is bit steep, it's about $5.85 (in Reno) for a 1 ounce bottle.........price must reflect climbing
those those Australian Tea Trees to get the oil pods (or whatever).
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David K
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That's cheap... about $8 per ounce here... Make sure it's 100% pure... not an antiseptic with some oil in it.
An ounce bottle will last you a year unless you're accident prone...
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