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[*] posted on 2-4-2004 at 09:09 PM
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I love it. But whether you realize it or not Skeet, I was saying the same things you have been saying about the "gringos" and every word is true. Minus the religious part. And in some cases, even that ugly stuff is true. Sorry, but those are my feelings.
Good luck with the birria and keep the faith. :lol:
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[*] posted on 2-4-2004 at 09:43 PM


J. R. You are very right about the way "Gringos" treat some of the Mexicano People,but the Americanos that I run with treat the mexicanos on the same level as anyone else. Defined by their Actions.

I just do not like you Lumping everbody into the same Basket as I do. sometimes.
There is another reason to think twice about Posting the Information if and when you get it. You will know what I mean when you get the info!
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[*] posted on 2-4-2004 at 09:44 PM


Baja Bernie--

That plant at La Salina MAY be "Yerba Reuma"(Frankenia palmeri), which also may be a medicinal plant......I say that with a grain of salt though since all these local names get VERY local uses, ie-they may call it Yerba Mansa around La Salina. The Yerba Mansa I know of doesn't like sand dunes, but prefers wet, swampy soils........

As an aside, I've read some material on Shamanism, in particular a Lakota Sioux named Black Elk(distantly related but not THE Black Elk).....he made claims of transporting to other planets during his sweat lodge trances.......my question is why don't they do a little research for us while they're out there--save us some money on all these gringo contraptions we send to planets costing billions of dollars!
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[*] posted on 2-4-2004 at 09:59 PM
Now we are talking some sense


I think Tron has the right idea. But perhaps like Skeet, while they are there they have the insight to not open their mouths. Something about loose lips sinking ships and all. I should probably follow those rules a little more often.:wow:
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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 10:53 AM
Donations: Gift of Sight from Lions Club


Hello jrBaja, Skeet,

My older brother Neil is very involved with the Lions Club where we live (in BC Canada) and I noticed his active group of members collects eye glasses that the Lions Club distributes to needy people in other countries.

You mentioned your involvement in an earlier post of taking donations (clothes etc.) to the San Javier area and others areas of Baja.

If I were to ask my brother and get him to ask his Lions members to collect some boxes of eye glasses, would you be able to find someone in the Baja (maybe San Javier area) to distribute the eyeglasses to people who need them? I know they sort them with a Lions Club member who is an eye specialist, so that the glasses can be properly fitted to those that need them.

I noticed that Neil has some boxes of good eyeglasses stored in a room in the basement of his house. Don't know if these eyeglasses have already been allocated, but I can ask and let you know. Otherwise, my brother will start another eyeglass drive to collect more glasses that can be allocated to the Baja.

Please let me know. Months before I travel to Mexico, I start collecting sports equipment, such as baseball gloves, bats, all sorts of sports balls, football (soccer) shoes, etc. and then donate them to an area that needs them. I usually stop at flee markets on route thru California to collect these type items and load up my motorhome.

One Baja military crossing captain thought I was starting my own baseball team in the Baja, as I had so many bags of ball gloves and a big bag of 20 bats stuffed into my rig. On the last trip I gave them out in San Jose Commundo area at XMas. The kids went crazy for them. A lady teacher said they were praying for such items, and their prayers were answered.

The area of 25,000 people where I live is very sports oriented and every house probably has tons of unused sports equipment waiting for a good home. I'd like to haul a trailer full of them down to the Baja, but I am not sure if I'd get huge importation hassles at the border crossings.

Keep me informed. Have a good weekend.

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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 11:15 AM
Re: Donations: Gift of Sight from Lions Club


I just talked to my brother Neil and he said that Dr. Kendrick a local eye specialist just came back from delivering and fitting eyeglasses in Mexico. He travels to Mexico a few times each year and tests the recipients and makes sure they get the right glasses and eye care.

Not sure how he establishes which area to go to in Mexico, but I am sure my brother and I could convince him to make a trip to the Baja, especially if there is a knowledgeable guide in the Baja area to take him to places that need it most.

If interested in starting the ball rolling on such a project let me know. I'll do my best to make it happen.

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Randy Mac;there is an active program in Cuidad Constitution through a LIons Club. I will try to get you a name.
At one time there were 40,000 people and three hospitals and 40 doctors in that Area, since the Water Table Droped, production was cut in Half and about Half of the People moved On.
the Lions Club in the past has helped people in Loreto.

The person to contact is
Dr. Renee Hibiff---Director
Hospital General
Cuidad Constitution Baja sur

Or a Doctor Gustavo Morales
Soc. Security Hospital in the same Town.

here is also a IMSS Hospital on the East Side of town. Skeet
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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 02:05 PM


Randy Mac:
God Bless You!
My wife and I were involved and Started a small chairty called "Warm Jackets for Cold Kids"
We go to just about any School and get there left over '"Lost and Found", go thru and pick out jackets that fit from 3 to 13,{that was the original Plan} however we take all sizes now, and several members of the Old amigos have been Kind enough to Deliver them to Dr. Hibiff.
In Constitution, which is located on the Road to La Paz about 80 miles beyond Loreto there is a constant need for Warm clothing, as even in the Summer time the fog and Sea Air comes into the Area each night about 4;00 Pm. Casues lots of "Gripa". It is a very poor area on the our lying Farms and Ranches.

To avoid any Hassle at the boder I advise people taking jackets, to buy and old suitcase, fill it with jackets and take it by the Hospital. It will be delevered to the most needy.
Sometimes if Clothes get into the wrong hands there will be a charge for those Clothes.Know who you are working with!
I have several boxes full of Jackets awaiting for someon e to pick up and take. I am right off of Hwy 5 on Hwy 152 between San Jose Calif. and Fresno. I will gladly meet anybody at anytime to give them jackets to go South. Please lket me know if I can assist youin any manner.
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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 04:51 PM
CD Constitution and Lions. Loreto and Lions


Skeet,

I stayed in San Carlos for about 14 days in Jan 2002 and found it can sure get windy and cold in CD Constitution.

I'll be speaking with my brother tomorrow and hope we can get something started in that area. I thank you very much for the information. I hope that Dr. Kendrick is open to going to the Baja. Maybe they already have a program in the Baja and I am not aware of it.

Reselling of donations problem: I had been made aware of this, so I'll be careful to find an honourable person.

Thanks again.

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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 05:13 PM
herbs and such


One of the more interesting sources I have used in my research is account books of goods shipped to the Franciscan missions in Texas and California. These accounts include medicines and concoctions such as Yerba de Puebla.
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[*] posted on 2-6-2004 at 07:32 PM
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I have been making trips into the mountains and non tourist areas alongf the areas north of La Paz for the distribution of goods.
All of the other places including C. Consti have so many gringos passing through that they already benefit from the tourists passing through. Especially the beach communities.
This is why I have been concentrating on the more remote areas. Plus, I'm not that fond of tourists anyway!
I'm sure there are many areas down here that are in need of eye glasses. If you are interested in seeing some of the back country to help, I am down here regularly and would be glad to have someone who cares about humans accompany me.
Also, thank you for your most informative posts. J.R.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 07:43 AM
Infusions of Healing


Infusions of Healing By Joie Davidow --- A Treasury of Mexican American Herbal Remedies. this is a wonderful book, a primer for someone that wishes to know more of the natural remedies and traditions of the Latino cultural. Her book is published by Simon and Schuster. Joie will be at the 2nd annual Baja Booksigning and Winetasting May 1, 2004 at Pyramid Resort She will be brining some of the local remedies and plants with her. Come talk to her in person, she may be able to enlighten to further.k :yes:

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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 08:05 AM
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Thanks for the info Keri. Souds like it will be a real humdinger again. I am looking forward to it very much. Long as I'm not stuck in the mountains somewhere, I'll be there.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 11:16 AM
Back country Baja


J.R.

I am more interested in the remote areas of Baja and the people than the areas that have an influx of tourists.

I don't want to start a big dump on tourists rant, but I have seen my share of bad acts from arrogant tourists in the Baja. Even though I am a visitor to Baja, I am not that fond of hanging out with tourists. I have found some (not all) to be very insensitive to the locals, as if they own the place because they have money to spend.

I head to Baja to experience the country and the people. If I wanted to party with other Canucks or Americans, I'd go to Cancun or Orlando Florida, or I would go skiing in the winter.

I appreciate the chance to meet and find out more about the Baja. My friends believe I must have been a mexican in a previous lifetime. Maybe so. I am very fond of Mexico.

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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 12:55 PM
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Let me know when you are ready then Randy. I will do some research in the next few weeks to see which areas are the most needy. If you wish, I can set up a centrally located area where the people could come to one centrally located spot at a certain date. Thanks again Amigo.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 01:26 PM


JR!! You are again wrong about Cui dadConstitution !!
It is the outling Ejidos all around the Town,most Americanos just go straight through and onl;y stop for Gas,
If you have not been there try the 5 Ejidos directly to the West of the Main part of Town, round trip from Hwy to Hwy is about 20 miles. There is a 1,000 Holstien Dairy at Number 2,then to the South east another until you get close to the Drop off into the Mounatins.
Also have you been into 'Fresno" Ejido as you come off the Pass from Loreto,
the fact that Loreto was covered by Americanos was why I chose to help Constitution.

Please do not slight any poor area such as this is!!!!, San Carlos is no where close.!
Also JR. Do you know the whole Story about the founding of the Area, Do you know what the Memorial South of Town means? If not that is one mystrey you should look into, sometimes the Surface does not always tell the true Story! Skeet/Loreto
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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 04:37 PM
Skeet ol buddy,


Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to slight anybody. I am sure because of these posts that there will be many donations heading to Dr. Hibbert? and the Ciudad Consti. area.
If you quit peeing them Nomadians off hahahahahaha.
It's just that very few people have been to or can get to the areas I am visiting. And these people have no access to anything. At least without a 1 - 2 hour not so great of a drive to C. Consti. but since they have so little money, that ain't happening.
Because of my other projects, I am back in them hills anyway so I take things to those guys. They are all needy as well.
And me being greedy, I prefer the mountain scenery to the city scenery so that is where I go. As well as some beachy areas as you know.
If you can arrange things to be delivered to Maneadero or my house, I can get a major shipment of things to Ciudad Constitucion. I need a trailer but am looking for one.
Although I have not seen these areas you are discussing, I am assuming there are many many needy folks. Which tends to make me feel bad when I can only carry so much in and on the van. So I pick areas where things go a long way and everyone gets something.
I have enough donaters now that a trailer is necessary for large shipments of things. This is what I am trying to work on as well as numerous other projects down here. pant pant pant.
It's all good though and I do enjoy it. I will mention your friend to some friends of mine and they perhaps can help get him some things in quantity as I am sure that's what's needed for that area.
And by the way you guys, Ciudad Constitucion has some of the prettiest women in all of Baja if you are looking for a place to take donations! Serious.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2004 at 05:51 PM


J.R. Go show! How about that Post on yhe Baja health post concerning Medical Care.
J.R. you just keep on Trucking in the Mountains,I think I can make arrangements to get lots of things to Constitution as it is just a block off ?out of the way for Folkks going to l
La PaZ.
If you read Spanish get the book on the History of the "Water of the Valley", How it came about,How the Govt. moved people from all over the Mainland, etc, then also about what happened when the Water Table Dropped! It will help you understand the Plight of the People!!

Hope AA or one of those guys are real good about finding things on the Net will be able to bring up the information.

It will also answer if you have a question about why there is Memorial South. that will blow your mind. So let it remain a a Secret until some one on this board can dig it Out!!!

What has happened to Jesse?????Remember what Presidente Luis Portillo said "the Children are Mexicos Future"

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[*] posted on 2-8-2004 at 06:04 PM


mexitron- i too have read some of black elk's books- very enlightening....surprised we didn't know that about each other!
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[*] posted on 2-8-2004 at 09:09 PM


pappy-we'll have to start doing sweat lodges and gourd dances at Pisces P.! Ho!
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