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Debra
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Agua Verde advice please
I'm very much wanting to check it out and have been reading about it. Some things that concern me.
1) 16% grade? 
2) hairpin curves where you can't see oncoming traffic until you a a few yards from them
3) no where to pass or pull out
does anyone have any pictures they can share, or a web-site I can look at?
Is this advisable for a women with a 10yr. old alone? I should add that I'm terrified of heights....not the "oh s**t" kind.....the dizzy,
hyperventating, crawl down on your butt in tears type of terror.
Thanks for any help or advice you can share. Debra
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Skeet/Loreto
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Debra
Debra: Do not be scared if you have any time on a Gravel road and have 4 wheel Drive. But I would no advise going alon! Stop in Loreto and get one of
my friends to go in and out with you.You never know who may be there, mabe some one will answer and will be there at the same time as your are going.
In places you can see several miles ahead. When you come up on the first hill, stop and take a look at the view,just before you start
It has been awhild since I have been in all the way so check with the locals in Loreto.
the best way and much more fun is to get Alvaro Murillo to take you and your son by Panga, that way you will be able to see the islands, maybe a Whale
or two. I will call him if you decide to go by Boat and find out what it will cost for a Day Trip. Let me Know. Skeet/Loreto
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David K
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Debra, go! Ask my travel partner if you want a woman's opinion. Yes, the road drops off the side of a mountain and drops a thousand feet. Yes, it is
full of sharp turns. Is it worth it... Yes! Photos from the top of the grade and at the beach are at http://davidksbaja.com/baja15/page5.html
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by David K]
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Debra
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Skeeter, I have spent time on gravel and have 4WD....what concerns me is, how wide is the road, am I going to worry that all 4 wheels might not
fit?..guess that probably isn't a real problem  I like the idea that you
mentioned about getting ahold of your friends....I'll 'e' you about that possibilty...and going by panga is interesting too, although I was thinking
Brendan and I might camp for a night or 2 or ?????
David, thanks for your input too, but, I have traveled with you many times and we both know our comfort levels are WAY different  AND, I remember trip reports from your traveling companion, as I recall her
comfort level is closer to mine than yours......thanks for the pictures..but, that only makes me want to get there....doesn't show me how (I am
hopeing someone here might have pics. that show the road.  .....thanks you
guys, Debra
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David K
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Well, if you ask nice maybe someone will tell you about the OTHER (new) road in to Agua Verde!
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Debra
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Well, Walt Petersen did, but, it's reported from 1998....I was hopeing to get a more current update 
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Debra-
If you can travel Baja alone (with child) then you can handle the road. We drove it in December. It was a bit hairy in one place. Go slow and keep
your eyes on the road in the distance. If you see a car approaching, you have plenty of time to find a place to pull over. In fact, we saw a truck
with a big trailer coming up the road. We pulled over and waited for it to pass. They made it down about half way before turning around. Remember,
all the locals in their cars and 2wd trucks make the trip.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Zac
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Debra
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Thank you Zac....
This is the kind of info. I am looking for.....I always look ahead (I'm stuck on looking ahead, and behind) and watching for dust (incoming)..I don't
want to sound stupid, but, from what I'm reading there is a village down there somewhere so there will be some kind of local traffic? I'm not so much
worried about me (except the height thing) I can hike out.....but, I haven't been able to carry my 10yr. old more than a few yards for a couple of
yrs......Though, he's very Baja savy...I don't want to take a chance with his safety.
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4WD vs. AWD
could an all wheel drive subaru outback make the trip to Agua Verde? David K's photos of Agua Verde make me drool... there's 10" of snow on the ground
here now! 
[Edited on 2-12-2004 by Punta Final]
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David K
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Yes, I did NOT engage 4WD on my Tacoma (with Callen camper on it) for the climb UP. Now, that was before the hurricanes... but the steepness will be
the same. Have fun Punta Final! PS Do you know Norm Christy or Don Briggs?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Debra: Sure do get some good info on Baja sur heh!
You will enjoy the trip which ever way you go ,by boat or 4 Wd.
Are you Automatic or Stick Shift.?
At on time their was a couple named johnson{I think} living in a Trailer full time. You can make inquiry in Loreto form several different people to
see if they are still there. I have been in there when ther was no one living there at all, it is just best to know what is a head of you.
At least 6 Large Loads of Rock came from the first ridge while We were building "Ranch sonrisa' Rodrigo and I would go up and Load rocks into the back
of that old Chev. Truck and head down the Pass to Loreto, could sometimes make 2 loads a Day!
Hey just thought about it but if you are interested in seeing some different birds there will be some 'Black Cardianals" around at the time!
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Punta Final-
You should be fine as long as you're careful. There are a few spots where the road (down below the grade) has been washed out. The locals have made
detours that can be bumpy. Thus, with low clearance, you'll want to watch your speed at those points. Other than that, AV is one of my favorite
spots in Baja.
Zac
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You may as well,
go to the Giggling Marlin or Bahia de los Muertos if you are looking for a true Baja experience rather than a "gringo enclave" experience. Because,
that is what "A.V." has turned into. And, it will save wear and tear on your S.U.V. trying to get there.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Debra:. I am going to be in Baja soon and will check out some of the places I have know for many years.
If as jr. has indicated that Agua has be come a place for Americanos then you will be able to find out on your own with out having to depend on "A
Guide" to give his impresssion of a given Location.
That is the thing about Adventure, You can go and get the feeling for a location that another person may get an exactaly opposite feeling.
I would strongly recommen dthat you go in an take a look and make up your own mind. It is worth the trip , just for the /View.
I did not like Agua Verde for one very good reason Wind,Wind,Wind, and it comes at you directly from the North and there is no where to go and Hide!!
I still think that going in by Panga would give you a much better view of the Sea as well as the Land,
But I am biased I like the Sea and a lot of people like the Dirt and rocks.
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jrbaja
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Look under
Green Tortoise Expeditions.
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Skeet/Loreto
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J. R. that is bad advice to give a Mother with her Son!
I have been in and around the "Green One" and I can assure you that it is not recommended for 2 year old children!
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Skeeter,
They said they are driving. I didn't mean they should take their trip, just pointing out that Agua Verde is one of their main destinations.
This means that when Mom and Son arrive in Agua Verde, these are the people that will be populating the place. As well as countless Oregonians who
have spread the word amongst each other and the rest of the general public that is now going there to "get out in the wilds" of Baja. hahahahaha.
And when are you coming down ? There's a couple things I'd like to show you up in them hills if you have some time.
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David K
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JR, the Green Tortoise calls it 'Agua Verde', but they go to San Cosme which is the ranch at the bottom of the grade. That is many miles north of Agua
Verde. The sea level hot springs are near there (San Cosme) and that is what makes it popular. There is even a large shade structure at San Cosme for
the Greenies to use for food prep, and meetings, etc.
When my lady friend and I camped near the old fishing village of Agua Verde (not the 'Puerto' on the bay), we agreed it was our favorite camp of our
15 day trip. The only non-Mexican there (besides us) was a Frenchman, and he was friendly and visited with us... as did the villagers (to offer us
lobster)! http://davidksbaja.com/baja15/page5.html
[Edited on 2-18-2004 by David K]
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Hey David-
Maybe we should just agree with JR and keep the place the way it is....I'm not quite sure where all the gringos are because I haven't seen them there.
I do agree with Skeet, though, about the wind. When it picks up, we leave.
Zac
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Bajaboy
How long has it been since you where there?
Did you meet a young couple living in the small trailer on the Hill?
How was the fishing the last time you were there,if you fished that is!
I was a little conserved that a single Women with a child might be better off with an escort.
Maybe Jr. is trying to keep everybody out of there, maybe he had a Stash!
Hey Jr. are growing any thing down there?
Skeet/Loreto
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