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David K
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There are many beaches you or most other people will never visit in Baja...
A walk on a beach is fun for some, a ride on the beach is fun for others.
ATVs & 4X4s should avoid beaches with people, such as Los Barriles, Rosarito, and other populated areas. Here is where authorities need to protect
people.
Where there are no people to disturb or turtle eggs to crush, and no roads next to them, beach driving is sometimes the only way to reach a
destination in remote Baja. Fisherman south of San Felipe drive the beach to check their nets, launch their pangas, and others enjoy the smooth ride
whose tracks will be erased by the next high tide!
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Where there are no people to disturb or turtle eggs to crush, and no roads next to them, beach driving is sometimes the only way to reach a
destination in remote Baja. Fisherman south of San Felipe drive the beach to check their nets, launch their pangas ... |
It makes sense that in these special cases where there is no other access for workers or others who must have access, that driving would be permitted.
How are these esceptions regulated? If signs were posted in those places that driving is definitely not permitted, then the public would know where or
where not to drive, as regulated by the law. But proper signage is not a quality abundant anywhere in Baja. I have gotten lost many times, and been
confused, by the absence of signs. However, the absence of a posted sign is still not an excuse for breaking the law.
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In previous years there was a big sign located on the beach Bahia Las Frailes that said "No Vehicles" in Spanish with a drawing of a Sea Turtle. The
ATVers would just drive by it (just like they do here in Utah). This past winter the sign was gone (probably due to the hurricane) and there were
ATV's running all over the beach. If you say anything, they rationalize their being there by saying they really don't do any damage, after all they
only have 9 psi in their tires. It doesn't matter what the law says, after all they are in Mexico to get away from the laws in the US and Canada. I
wouldn't be surprised if they aren't back in the States calling for the Mexicans to obey the US laws.
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I wonder how many tickets will be handed out the night of the South Campos Parade of lights? There are a lot of vehicles on the beach that night
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
It's interesting to note that in my experience it is purely gringo phenomenon to be so upset with vehicles on the beach that one would wish
confiscation and personal injury on those that ride ATV's. I have many Mexican friends. I know not one that spends a second worrying about vehicles on
the beach. In fact many drive their trucks and motos on the beach to places where they picnic, fish, gather oysters, and spend time with their
families on the weekends. In researching the idea of buying an ATV I have spoken with the local police in my area and have recieved the same reply
from all...riding the beach is no big deal to them as long as you don't drive fast and dangerous. . . . True there are some jerks thats race up and
down the beach making noise and taking chances. That is not my intention and nor is it the intention of most of the people I see on the beach here.
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In BCN at our beach on the Pacific side, it is the rare ATV rider who is NOT driving "fast and dangerous." Going to the beach on most summer weekends
and virtually all holidays means having to contend with these people -- Mexicans and Americans alike -- who turn the beach into a racetrack. Dave's
POV may be a little harsh, but it does resonate. Personally, I keep my dirt bike off the beach. Like the man says, walking on the beach is good for
you.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ArvadaGeorge
I wonder how many tickets will be handed out the night of the South Campos Parade of lights? There are a lot of vehicles on the beach that night
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They might have a PERMIT to do that. You can get a permit for exceptions of the law. Here they love to issue permits even if there already is a law.
They love to stamp papers and make it "official."
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
... with a drawing of a Sea Turtle. The ATVers would just drive by it (just like they do here in Utah). This past winter the sign was gone (probably
due to the hurricane) and there were ATV's running all over the beach. ... |
There are beaches and sea turles in Utah? And you get hurricanes there, too? Wow, I'm learning all kinds of things on this thread today... 
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viabaja
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Memorial weekend looked like the Daytona 500 from SF to Percebu. Even Shell ISland was busy. Had enough and came home early.
PROFEPA could have made a fortune in fines if they were enforcing. But as Dave said, everyone from the local fishermen (netting & launching),
local ATV's & tourist ATV's & dune buggy's drive on the beaches here. There are still remote beaches that would require miles of walking. It
would be impossible or very dificult to carry packed coolers, tackle boxes, fishing poles, chairs, etc. to various areas of some of these beaches
without 4x4 or ATV.
But who knows about the future.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
A walk on a beach is fun for some, a ride on the beach is fun for others.
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a walk on the beach or in the backcountry with loud, fast ATVs zipping about is miserable.
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North of the border more and more roads back into the boonies are being gated-off Signs read. "No motorized vehicles beyond this gate." The reason? To protect the environment and provide sanctuary for wildlife. Very few people will walk past the gate.
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David K
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I have this funny belief that 'Public Land' is for the public! 
Animals adapt very well, and afterall... we are part of this planet, too!
666, ATVs do not have to be ridden loud or fast... Many retired or handicapped folks have no other way to get about off the road or on beaches without
them.
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Capt. George
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fought the fight 15 years on Cape Cod re: beach vehicle access...
you know the miles and miles of beaches inaccessable to healthy persons, never mind the handicapped....... in the states and Mexico???????
punish the vilolaters and let the "users" use the beaches that are theirs, to share with the wildlife, has been going on since the end of WW
II......Never mind concern for a humans "pursuit of happiness", bring your U.S. environmentall bullchit to Baja, it's priceless!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Cypress
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One of the main reasons for the closure of roads is to prevent damage to the roadbed. One jerk with big wheels can destroy a road. Rebuilding a road isn't cheap.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
punish the vilolaters and let the "users" use the beaches that are theirs, to share with the wildlife, has been going on since the end of WW
II......Never mind concern for a humans "pursuit of happiness", bring your U.S. environmentall bullsh-t to Baja, it's priceless!
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I didn't make the federal laws in Mexico. The Mexicans did. Whether they enforce it or not is their business. God help everyone if there was
no law that ''no motorized vehicles on any beach in Mexico."
Baja could only benefit from US environmental guidelines.
If I ever get a chance to bust an ATVer, I'll take it.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
One of the main reasons for the closure of roads is to prevent damage to the roadbed. One jerk with big wheels can destroy a road. Rebuilding a road isn't cheap.
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What is the road for then??? Freedom includes the ability to travel across our country, OUR country.
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In some areas they provide access for forest crews, fire crews and timber cutting operations. A great deal of the property is actually owned by private individuals or corporations. Public usage is allowed, only restriction is "no motorized vehicles".
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Bob and Susan
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david
the rule in mexico is NO MOTORIZED vehicles on the beach...
"Freedom includes the ability to travel across our country, OUR country"
you are ONLY free as long as you "conform" and "produce" and "spend"
go "out of the box" and see what happens
"our country" is "owned" by businessmen NOT YOU
edit: remember its a "privilege" to drive on any road in california or other states remember the DMV rule
[Edited on 6-9-2007 by Bob and Susan]
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Even if you've done it before and enjoyed doing it, times have changed. Now we don't drive on the beach anymore because now we are aware how
significant the shoreline is, now we are working to protect it and it is agreed upon, the tide line at the water's edge and up above is a place where
many many animals live, where eggs are layed such as where turtles lay eggs and where so much life feeds. Even the empty shells are significant for
temporary housing and protection. Don't remove them.
When vehicles and quads drive over the sand they crush and compact the sand, kill the small babies and do tremendous irreparable damage to the
ecosystem.
Nowadays, when you drive to the beach you leave your cars/quads up off the beach and walk the last 20-30 meters. We find its quite easy to do, to make
this small change in your behavior and even more fun. Your quads will last longer without salt damage too.
If you do drive along the waters edge, try to be aware many people who understand the damage you are doing become enraged at you, often young people
are aware and older people are not since they continue their old habits. Its incredibly inconsiderate to the environment, you gain nothing and
various groups have the right to impound your vehicle and will periodically do so because they have to protect the shoreline in order to protect
baja's most valuable resource, shoreline sea life!
We are a community that respects sea life and we depend on sea life for food so please protect it. Its 2007 and we don't drive on the beach anymore!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Even if you've done it before and enjoyed doing it, times have changed. Now we don't drive on the beach anymore because now we are aware how
significant the shoreline is, now we are working to protect it and it is agreed upon, the tide line at the water's edge and up above is a place where
many many animals live, where eggs are layed such as where turtles lay eggs and where so much life feeds. Even the empty shells are significant for
temporary housing and protection. Don't remove them.
When vehicles and quads drive over the sand they crush and compact the sand, kill the small babies and do tremendous irreparable damage to the
ecosystem.
We are a community that respects sea life and we depend on sea life for food so please protect it. Its 2007 and we don't drive on the beach anymore!
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I think it's wrong to assume that ATVer's don't respect sea life. For many, the ATV is a means by which to experience the shoreline through swimming,
snorkeling, and shore fishing.
I have yet to see any empirical evidence proving that the ATV's weight indeed compacts the sand to such a degree that turtle eggs are damaged and the
hatchlings cannot dig their way out. Has this indeed been proven? One might also ask how much weight does it take to compact the sand in such a way?
What about the weight of a human being? Clearly the weight of a large man could be significant. Perhaps walking on the beach should be illegal too and
we could all wish for imprisonment and injury for those who tred on the sand.
Clearly, there is such a thing as irresponsible ATV riding. Perhaps if there was a well defined track way above the high tide line that vehicles were
confined to damage to the shoreline would be minimized. Of course this would also have to enforced and around we go!
for all of those who are concerned about the enviroment and the sea...Please visit the thread I started under Baja fishing and Hunting. Send an email
and voice your outrage at the new long lining policy that is sure to destroy the Sea of Cortez. ATV's are the least of our worries.
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David K
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Oh well, sorry! (I have a photo of the same beach with a bus driving on it!)
Here it is...
[Edited on 6-9-2007 by David K]
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