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Sharksbaja
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Was: Overzealous Republican golf-loving execs plan to ruin Playa/Estero Santa Barbara ---Now: "Mega-resort for the rich planned for the Bay of
Concepcion".
A recent visit to the site confirms the grandiose plans in store for this pristine jewel located near Mulege in the Sea of Cortez.
The plans are quite expansive and truely emulate the global fruits the developer has built to satiate imperial needs and lust.
Peruse the corporate website replete with stolen web-images. Study the plans that offer solace, isolation and the necessities of the very rich.
Now with all that ambiance provided take a look at who exactly are these people and how could they possibly just buy up pristine semi-virgin estero
land and turn it into a Cancun stlye private beach club for the rich and famous.
With that aside, the real issue paramount to developing such an incredible site is the abililty to develop and coexist with the virgin mangove
estuary and tidal flats.
I was informed that the cheapest room for which there are few will be around $600 per night while most rooms are in the $5000-$6000 per night
range.
But you get beach club and golfing at it's finest. Plus a boutique bla bla bla.............
Ok here's the deal. I saw the place up close and personal and toured the expansive area thoroughly. It is a sensitive and special place in many
respects IMHO.
I think that any prudent person who investigated this project and the people and govt relationships would convince anyone why and how this could
"just" happen. Would you put trust in an Enron laison or Reagan Amabassador?
Who really is chipping dog poop into the bay.
Not me. But heck I just did 20 mins online and learned a world of stuff at Geiko! . I wondered who Theodore Gildred was, cause I'd heard that name sometime after the flood when I collected almost $4000 for FD
equipment in Mulege from mostly Nomads. I heard he donated to the Sister City program. It turns out a prodige' of his was a fellow named Mike F.
associated with the ICF foundation out of La Paz. I wonder if they know each other??
I Googled Mr Gildred. WOW! I thought he was just a rich guy. I had no idea of
his political past but I sure understand how this project could be easily installed w/o some type of environmental address. It spells disaster for
exactly the type of environment addressed recently in Los Cabos.
The area during my visit showed at high tide salt-water upwelling in the the whole basin. Filling or altering this natural tidal area would have
detrimental effects. Another hi-risk issue is that of the arroyo and wash that funnels into this small estero. Boulders the size of small cars and
large meandering wash constantly alters the area.
I see nothing but disaster with this project from the stance of preserving a fragile estero and nursery. From the standpoint of exclusive and
world-class golfing and spoiling what else could be better? It's easy for me. What do you think?
Plans
Golf course developers
De Palace
Bush connection
Friends of De Palace(ICDSS)
One local long-time playa guy who lives very near the project recently said he hinted for "green fees" in lieu of money for favors and work for the
corporation. Must be a "publican"
Kinda sad
really.
....end of rant.......er, post...
[Edited on 7-3-2007 by Sharksbaja]
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Crusoe
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OH Sharks........This is truly a sad scenerio in the making. We need to put a call into Old Hippie and have him cut them off at the legs. Quick!!!!
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viabaja
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Corporate greed and lust at it's best! Environmental Impact Studies in Mexico! Oh yeah!!! Over building without increasing the infrastructure - this
is truly the Baja way. San Felipe is evidence of all said!
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DianaT
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Looks like a beautiful place---the way it is right now. 
Now, if they build that monster, people who pay that kind of money to stay somewhere fly in their private jets. What would they do, fly into
Loreto---I know, then they could take the ABC - Plus bus to the resort.
Really hate to see it happen.
Diane
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Halboo
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A man's kilt should never go past his knees.
This guy is an obvious WANKER!
What can we do to stop this madness?
Golf is a scourge.
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805gregg
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I couldn't find it on my maps. Where exactly is it?
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Bob and Susan
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
I couldn't find it on my maps. Where exactly is it? |
The white sand beach on the right in the photo is Coyote.
We spent a day exploring the area by kayak about 10 years ago. We tried to find a road into it and found only fences. We asked around and were told
that the property was private and owned by the family of one of the former presidents of Mexico. We knew then that it was likely when,not if, it would
be developed.
That guy builds some beautiful golf courses. 
MAGA
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
I recognize the skirt, but what are those (bag)pipes hanging in front?
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It's called a Sporran. It takes the place of pockets.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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CaboRon
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So Beautiful Now
The photos were awesome, I see why you have settled in this area. The thought of this project is really sad. I think they want to make all of
Baja Sur into "The Cabo Riveria ". Are there really that many people who can afford this? CaboRon
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Sharksbaja
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Not one shred of trash or left-overs here:
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Sharksbaja
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Google view of sensitive area:
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Halboo
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He's a Greedy Bloody Sassenach Wanker! 
Responsible for the rape of vast tracts of land worldwide.
I see he's the one of those who have screwed up Bandon OR
A I said before; Golf is a Scourge.
There are hundreds off spots around the globe where this scourge has overtaken the natural world.
As they say in Hawaii "You can't eat golf balls." 
http://utenti.lycos.it/dossierisarenas/golf.htm
http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/new_articles.cfm?articl...
[Edited on 6-30-2007 by Halboo]
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David K
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What is the deal with the Federal Zone not being enforced... I thought nobody could own the land within a certain distance of the high tide line?
I fear that Shell Island will be messed with even though it is surrounded by 'Federal land', ie the lagoons, mud flats, marsh, etc.
El Dorado is eyeing the south end, and some developer says this will be just like Cancun... That sound awful to me, naturally!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What is the deal with the Federal Zone not being enforced... I thought nobody could own the land within a certain distance of the high tide line?
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Concessions. Just another protected public property with a price tag.
20 meters is the distance, David.
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oldhippie
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One thing though, this is going to make Loreto Bay the Motel 6 class destination of the area.
The people taking the limo to this new resort will look at Loreto Bay and wonder how the poor people can live like that.
How many "rooms", villas are there going to be?
Two words: Runway Interdiction.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usaf/afpam14-210/part06.htm
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oldhippie
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The developers are the Lomas Santa Fe Group (they have "acquired" the land) and this appears to be their first foray into a foreign country.
If you look at the pdf brochure you'll see a resort full of swimming pools. Looks like each villa has its own. Do they know there's no water? Details
I guess.
Lots of air conditioning too!
brochure - http://www.esterosantabarbara.com/AmanESB_Brochure.pdf
developers - http://www.lsfg.com/home.html
[Edited on 7-2-2007 by oldhippie]
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oldhippie
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The Gull
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Baja is for sale. Anyone not know that?
Mexico is a country separate from the US. They can do as they please and the opinion of foreigners does not matter when it comes to such small issues
as one golf course and hotel rooms along a coastal section that is not currently developed.
Calmate. Amigos.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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amir
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The Gull Has It!
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Baja is for sale. Anyone not know that?
Mexico is a country separate from the US. They can do as they please and the opinion of foreigners does not matter when it comes to such small issues
as one golf course and hotel rooms along a coastal section that is not currently developed.
Calmate. Amigos. |
This is one of the most clear and succinct statements made recently that spans a broad spectrum of subjects discussed by Nomads.
--Amir
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