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| Quote: | Originally posted by Slowmad
...and the Star and National Enquiror outpace the Economist and The New Yorker by 132 to 1!
The lower the bar, the higher the numbers.
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And toilet paper outsells the National Enquirer by hundreds of square miles, bar lowered, of course.
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Murdoch's working on the TP market too!
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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The Witless Audience
From what I've witnessed on this forum, the rabid semi-literates seem to be the most vociferous of the Fox haters.
Given the penchant for the Lefty Loons to make up their own statistics, Feel free to publish any valid statistical studies you have reference to
regarding the intelligence levels of the Fox viewership vis-a-vis their competition i.e. MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC.
Otherwise, we'll assume it's just another "Special Ed" Lefty Lie.
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Mr. Bill, try reading for information. I read The Atlantic in addition to Newsweek. Also pick a Sunday newspaper. If you want TV news, the PBS
Newshour does the best job of objective reporting and has the best guest interviews.
It's a matter of taste I guess. Like I think Lou Doobs is the absolute bottom of the barrel. Sludge.
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Lou Dobbs can be a bit hyperbolic at times but, on the border issue, he speaks for me.
I disagree with him on the border agent issue.
Give'em hell, Lou.
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Reading ?
Typical of the Elitist Left who assume that they are the only educated class, Hippie asserts without any knowledge to base it on, that MY (and, no
doubt, all Conservatives) have only Fox News to inform us.
I'll wager that I have, and do, read far more than the majority of the Goatheads on the Left. I believe that the ONLY way to get ALL of the facts on
a current story is to read that information in the newspaper. Even the Los Angeles People's Daily World (otherwise known as the LA Times).
I was probably the only person I knew in High School that started the day with the Los Angeles Examiner and the first thing I read was the Editorial
page. After school, it was the Los Angeles Mirror. Westbrook Van Pegler (one of the good guys), Drew Pearson and, later his protege, Jack Anderson
(two of the Bad Guys). Weeknights, I would stay up for Joe Pyne and Tom Duggan. Sunday TV was Meet the Press and Dan Smoot. In 1960, as a High
School Sophomore, I worked after school in Inglewood at the Nixon Campaign Headquarters, walking door to door handing out campaign literature.
I have been deeply immersed in the political scene for my entire adult life and have read and regurgitated over the pernicious pablum peddled by the
dishonest dregs representing the left for over Fifty years.
During that time, I thought that the only thing wrong with the Hippies killing themselves with drugs, was that they were doing such a poor job of it.
With age, my views have moderated somewhat, but I still detest that kind of person.
"We have met the enemy and he is the Left".
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I was probably the only person I knew in High School that started the day with the Los Angeles Examiner and the first thing I read was the Editorial
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i start every morning with a 5-10 minute "grumpy" as i read the SD Union editorial page. then if i'm really full of it i'll scan the sports.
does this count?
edit: i'm WAAAAY past high school, though.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by woody in ob]
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by woody in ob]
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New Bircher book:
My Assault is Insult
Subtitle: Trolling With Hate
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MrBill,
I have to admit I wanted to provoke you, what's that called, trolling? Except I was after a specific fish. Do you watch the PBS Newshour or do you
dismiss it because the network has the word "Public" in its name and it's non-commercial. Smacks of socialism doesn't it?
"I have been deeply immersed in the political scene for my entire adult life and have read and regurgitated over the pernicious pablum peddled by the
dishonest dregs representing the left for over Fifty years."
So you're a masochist too?
Like I've said before, boundary conditions are needed to frame reality. Thanks for doing it so well.
Your hippie friend.
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hyperbolic |ˌhīpərˈbälik|
adjective
1 of or relating to a hyperbola.
• Mathematics (of a function, e.g., a cosine) having the same relation to a rectangular hyperbola as the unqualified function does to a circle.
2 (of language) exaggerated; hyperbolical.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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PBS PAP
Actually, back in the "C" Band days when my choices in Baja were somewhat limited, I did watch the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour every weekday. As with
the Los Angeles Times, it is always a good idea to keep track of what the enemy is disseminating. I still watch PBS quite a bit, though less for
news. Needless to say, I support removing the "public" money from PBS, which probably has the most-leftward slant of any major news services.
Speaking of that sometimes subtle slant, I read a lead Editorial in the L.A. Times last week on the same day that the Riverside Press-Enterprise led
with an editorial on the same subject. You would have thought the two were discussing two different programs. What the Times thought was
over-reaching and an intrusion into individual Civil Rights, the P-E considered too tentative an approach that would not resolve needed deficiencies.
The Eye of the Beholder.
Toneart's contribution to the dialogue regurgitates that old boogeyman, "The John Birch Society". Are they still around ? I'm not aware of hearing a
thing about them except from Lefties who drag them out for scare purposes. They are another group who can probably hold their meetings in a protable
toilet without being crowded. Better them than the "McCarthyites", I guess. They're from a somewhat more recent past. The Libs should be thankful
for both. Without them, I guess they'd be waving the specter of something Herbert Hoover said.
"Looking hopefully forward to the day that the few Liberals left around are kept in museums with the Dinosaurs and other artifacts of an ancient
time".
BTW, I'm still waiting for the above "Usual Suspects" to provide the Annotated Statistical Studies done by a known reputable polling
organization which relates the relative Intelligence Levels of Broadcast and Cable News Viewership.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
BTW, I'm still waiting for the above "Usual Suspects" to provide the Annotated Statistical Studies done by a known reputable polling
organization which relates the relative Intelligence Levels of Broadcast and Cable News Viewership.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM] |
A quick Google search
SURVEY: Fox News Viewers Rank Lowest
A new study by the Pew Research Study shows that viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and
international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last:
Despite significant technology shifts, however, Pew found that “today’s citizens are about as able to name their leaders, and are about as aware of
major news events, as was the public nearly 20 years ago.”
The results about Fox News echo findings of previous surveys. In 2003, University of Maryland researchers studied the public’s belief in three false
claims — that Iraq possessed WMD, that Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that there was international support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
The researchers stated, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their
news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions.” Fox News viewers were “three times more likely than the next nearest network
to hold all three misperceptions.”
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Sure, why not?
"We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land. The poorhouse is vanishing from among
us."--Herbert Hoover, 1928
Eight months later the stock market crashed and The Great Depression Began.
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Sticky Thinking
Sticky's lack of reading comprehension is evident in his defense of his original premise:
"Did O'Rilley mention the statistics on the I.Q. of those watching the Factor. They are the lowest of all the shows. The viewers of
Faux News also rate the lowest intelligence of all other news shows and I guess that's why they don't realize they are not watching a
news show."
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Any survey which rated superior the knowledge of viewers who got their news from two Comedy Central Satires would be instantly suspect, but, in fact
the blurb cited by Sticky doesn't even make that case.
The purported results say NOTHING regarding the IQ of the audiences. Rather, they purport to draw conclusions regarding the level of knowledge of
current events based upon questions and interpretations by the poller. You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Many Highly-Educated and Intelligent
people hold bizarre and suspect views of events. Just one such person among the left Wingnut crowd would be The (now) unemployed Ward Churchill.
There are numerous other examples.
The fact that Sticky could cite results differing from his proposition as proof reflects on his own reasoning powers.
I will, however, research fully the question of viewer IQ as time is available.
Try Harder Next Time.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by MrBillM]
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Professor Bill, I gotta admit that I love your responses and enjoy pulling your chain.
But - the research is quite clear that those watching the comedy channel shows tested much higher than Fox viewers. I don't suspect that it is solely
an intelligence issue but mostly due to Fox News intentionally misinforming their viewers (Faux News). Therefore Fox News viewing will lower the test
scores accordingly.
Now if you need some extra cash you probably could get a staff writer position on the Colbert Report show. Just forward some of your posts to New
York and they might send their jet out to pick you up in San Felipe.
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Never Buy a Used Car from a Liberal.
Or anything else for that matter. While they may sound good, they are devious and untruthful.
Sticky need not worry about yanking my Chain. It's Stainless Steel Proof Coil unlike their Rusty Crap. It's probably not the only thing that Sticky
loves to yank on.
Even though it is clear that neither the Pew Research Poll OR The University of Maryland Poll made any attempt to assess relative Intellect and
concentrated ONLY on issues of Current Event knowledge, Sticky still tries a little Weasel-Wording with "I don't suspect that it is solely an
intelligence issue". I suspect that Sticky's sole academic credentials for making that assessment consist of once sniffing the warm
chair of a Leftwing PoliSci Professor.
Having spent some time reading the University of Maryland Poll referred to, it becomes apparent that the methodology was destined to arrive at the
desired result. They based the poll on three questions regarding WMDs, Saddam-Al Queda and Foreign support for the Iraq War. Any answer to their
phrasing other than an absolute NO was considered a "misperception". Given that Republicans are inclined to listen primarily to Fox as Democrats are
to CNN and the fact that there is STILL debate regarding at least the first two questions, the result was preordained.
So far, I haven't looked at the methodology of the Pew Research Poll, but I do note that, even accepting their results for the events and
personalities involved, those whose primary News source was Bill O'Reilly (which began this little exchange) and Rush Limbaugh "scored" within a few
percentage points of the Comedy Guys. Since I don't know at this time HOW they weighted the answers as to "correctly identifying", I would still
distrust their final numbers.
Once I have an opportunity to read the details of the Pew Poll I'm sure I'll have further comments.
Keep on Yanking, Little one.
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MrBill..........
You're really Don Rickles, arn't you.
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I Yam what I Yam.
And that's not Popeye the Sailor Man OR Don Rickles.
I'm sure that I'm being insulted in some way, but not being a devotee of Don Rickles or being much of a comedy fan, I'm not sure what negative trait
is being inferred. I have seen him on TV a few times and in a few movies. "Kellys Heroes" comes to mind.
Is "Curmudgeon" the trait that comes to mind ? Many, many people have shared that opinion over the years.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
or being much of a comedy fan |
Mr. Bill, you know that old saying "you only have one life to live". Well, seeing that you were a sophomore in 1960, I would put you at 63. Maybe
you'll live to 85.
(85-63)/85*100 = about 26%
So you have 1/4 of a life to live, probably less, maybe more. Lighten up, at least enjoy comedy.
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Wait a minute, what am I saying, you are comedy!
Your hippie friend.
[Edited on 8-8-2007 by oldhippie]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm not sure what negative trait is being inferred. |
None. Just a reference to your tough humor which I enjoy. I'm a fan of yours, MrBill. If not, I wouldn't point out that, in this case, I
imply...you infer. You, of all people, should appreciate the details.
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