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sancho
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The Road from Puerticitos to Hwy 1 to be Paved
Maybe this is old news, the San Felipe website has a piece
on Federal funds having been issued for the completion
of paving to Chapala, Hwy1 from Puerticitos, construction
starting 2008 completed 2010,I know there are some who don't see the
'development' of baja as anything negative,
I suppose I'm old school and want the peninsula
to remain as I found it in the early '80's,
I feel fortunate to have spent time
there before the current changes
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bajalou
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Can you give a link to the site you are referencing? It's interesting news, rumored for years.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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bajacrawler
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It is www.sanfelipe.com.mx It is on the front page.
Jack
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bajalou
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Thanks - I look at the site pretty regularly but not at the "Home" page. Guess I better change my reading habits.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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surfer jim
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This is good news...now I won't have to buy shock absorbers every time I go down this road.....
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David K
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Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash
behind and don't care about anyone but themselves.
Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing
special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible.
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woody with a view
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Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing
special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible.
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copy that!
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bonanza bucko
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Road from Puertecitos to Lake Chapal
This needs to be done. Just like almost every other upgrade in Mexico. It has been advertised for years. I'll believe it when I see it!! ....maybe
by 2030 and only then if the graft is reduced by about 95%.
Ever heard of the "Nautica Escalera?".....ditto
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Bedman
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Hmmm.....interesting thought here...
What will that do to the Baja 1000?
Bedman
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Tim
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If they pave over the current route, this new road could become a death trap with the many sheer drop offs to the valleys just south of Puertecitos.
I hope they put up some sort or warning, vados, or guard rails or something. Just MHO.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash
behind and don't care about anyone but themselves.
Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing
special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible. |
I guess those selfish people who "don't care about anyone but themselves" and want pavement include the locals who can benefit from the road. 
Yes, we love that road and for selfish reasons would like to see it stay the way it is today. For selfish reasons, we would also like to see the road
to Bahia Asuncion not become "a paved road through a desert...."
Even though we have had broken materials and furniture from that road to Asuncion, the dirt road keeps it more isolated. But as pointed out by Shari,
the locals see it differently, and I can't blame them. Most locals we have talked to want pavement sooner than later.
I think the most selfish attitude is to want it all to remain the way many of us have loved it for years---it provides us a real escape---a beautiful
place to explore, a wilderness, quaint villages with great people, etc. ----but pavement can provide opportunities for the local people.
On the other hand, we have met some locals who don't want to see pavement in their areas---like the hotel owner in San Ignacio sees paving the road to
the Lagoon as the end to his quaint and peaceful town, or the man who works on the Antelope Preserve near Asuncion who sees pavement as a threat to
the environment and the Antelope.
It is now our second home, and we love it, but we know we are being selfish when we don't want to see change that may not serve our purpose, but will
help the locals.
John and Diane
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Good Roads = Bad news for many who want Baja to remain undamaged by those who don't appreciate the beauty of the place and paint grafitti, leave trash
behind and don't care about anyone but themselves.
Bad Roads = Preserve the land, forces one to drive slowly and apprecaite the hardships of those who came before, makes Baja special... There's nothing
special about a paved road through a desert other than to get you through the place as fast as possible. |
I guess those selfish people who "don't care about anyone but themselves" and want pavement include the locals who can benefit from the road.
Yes, we love that road and for selfish reasons would like to see it stay the way it is today. For selfish reasons, we would also like to see the road
to Bahia Asuncion not become "a paved road through a desert...."
Even though we have had broken materials and furniture from that road to Asuncion, the dirt road keeps it more isolated. But as pointed out by Shari,
the locals see it differently, and I can't blame them. Most locals we have talked to want pavement sooner than later.
I think the most selfish attitude is to want it all to remain the way many of us have loved it for years---it provides us a real escape---a beautiful
place to explore, a wilderness, quaint villages with great people, etc. ----but pavement can provide opportunities for the local people.
On the other hand, we have met some locals who don't want to see pavement in their areas---like the hotel owner in San Ignacio sees paving the road to
the Lagoon as the end to his quaint and peaceful town, or the man who works on the Antelope Preserve near Asuncion who sees pavement as a threat to
the environment and the Antelope.
It is now our second home, and we love it, but we know we are being selfish when we don't want to see change that may not serve our purpose, but will
help the locals.
John and Diane |
the problem becomes, no, it is still as it has always been.....who's right?
is YOUR reality any better than theirs, or mine?
tomorrow never waits, hence we all shall see what the future holds...... one thing for sure....prayforsurf!!!!!
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David K
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Progress is going to happen... that's just reality. There will be a paved road hugging the Pacific coast south of El Rosario someday, too.
Asuncion, La Bocana and Abreojos are pretty big towns... a paved road makes sense for them... They pay taxes afterall.
There are NO towns south of Puertecitos to Chapala... Just a beautiful bay to develop and a shortcut south from Mexicali/ San Felipe being the reason
to pave. How likely are people going to stop at Coco's Corner when in just a few more minutes they will be sipping cold ones on beautiful Gonzaga Bay?
Mama Espinoza is credited with the term: Bad roads bring good people... Good roads bring ALL kinds of people!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There are NO towns south of Puertecitos to Chapala... Just a beautiful bay to develop and a shortcut south from Mexicali/ San Felipe being the reason
to pave. How likely are people going to stop at Coco's Corner when in just a few more minutes they will be sipping cold ones on beautiful Gonzaga Bay?
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No, but there will be, and there are property owners who probably would benefit from a paved road. And Mexican Commerce from Mexicali could benefit
from that road being paved. The real losers would probably be the people on the leased land who fly-in for the most part.
We love Gonzaga Bay and have never, and probably never will stop at Coco's Corner---met him once at Alphonsina's and didn't care much for the man---We
know, that is like "attacking" a legend---just our opinion.
So, we guess we all should measure good vs bad paving of roads based on current occupancy---seems a little inconsisitent, or should we measure it
perhaps on where gringos like to escape.
We prefer they all stay dirt, but know that preference is very selfish and self-serving.
Diane and John
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by jdtrotter]
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MrBillM
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Our Backyard
WE (having incomes which would put us in the upper tiers of Mexcian society) have always appreciated the BAD Roads in Baja because it made for a great
playground away from home.
On the other hand, I have NEVER spoken to a Mexican in those outlying areas with difficult roads who didn't look forward to the paving.
It's a shame that our Toy Sandbox is being paved over, but the Mexicans are happy. It is their country, as many others have said besides me.
I look forward to visiting my friends in Gonzaga more often.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There are NO towns south of Puertecitos to Chapala... Just a beautiful bay to develop and a shortcut south from Mexicali/ San Felipe being the reason
to pave. How likely are people going to stop at Coco's Corner when in just a few more minutes they will be sipping cold ones on beautiful Gonzaga Bay?
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No, but there will be, and there are property owners who probably would benefit from a paved road. And Mexican Commerce from Mexicali could benefit
from that road being paved. The real losers would probably be the people on the leased land who fly-in for the most part.
We love Gonzaga Bay and have never, and probably never will stop at Coco's Corner---met him once at Alphonsina's and didn't care much for the man---We
know, that is like "attacking" a legend---just our opinion.
So, we guess we all should measure good vs bad paving of roads based on current occupancy---seems a little inconsisitent, or should we measure it
perhaps on where gringos like to escape.
We prefer they all stay dirt, but know that preference is very selfish and self-serving.
Diane and John
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by jdtrotter] |
Strange how so many can meet someone and have fond memories of the encounter, and others not...
Coco and our Baja 1000 group last November (The Squarecircle, Josh, Baja Angel and I):
Coco when Baja Angel met him Jan. 2, 2005... signing Coco's guest book...
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by David K]
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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Strange how so many can meet someone and have fond memories of the encounter, and others not...
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by David K] |
You mean like all those people who have to stop there to have their tires fixed because of all the screws and nails that somehow have gotten onto the
road.
Or all the people who get funneled onto his property before and during the baja mil so he can extort a few bucks from them>?
Or the people that stop there to buy something and get the royal treatment.
Or all the guys who's girlfriends he has groped when they stop by.
I guess he really is a legend.
[Edited on 31-8-2007 by Minnow]
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Strange how so many can meet someone and have fond memories of the encounter, and others not...
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So now that the Trotters have disagreed with you publicly, and taken your sticker off their truck it's time for you to start badmouthing them?
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Minnow
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Roberto, you have been around here long enough to know the drill.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Roberto, you have been around here long enough to know the drill. |
True - but I have such a boring life that I like to point out the obvious.
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