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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
One can only hope. |
On this, we disagree.
It's how Mexico got into this mess. One little "bite" at a time. Solving it will require a moral course correction. Anything less is
window dressing.
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
It's how Mexico got into this mess. One little "bite" at a time. |
Reminds me of the adage (here in reverse)
of how to complete a large project....
Question: How do you eat an elephant?
Answer: One bite at a time.
(reference)
What we may be seeing is the current enormity of a "project" built through time "bite" by "bite" that has now become the "elephant in the room" (reference).
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Wingnut
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I have read this thread with some concern. It appears that there is a major issue with police corruption, drug cartels and general banditos in the
Tijuana area. I really don't see how it will get cleaned up until the Mexican government steps in. It is only after the Federal police from other
areas are sent in by the President of Mexico, that corruption gets flushed out for a while. If all Nomads want to help solve this issue we have to
push for the Tourism group and all local business entities to start a campaign to clean this up. Believe me, if something isn't done, people will
start doing what they have always done in the past, they will arm themselves and that is something that Mexico does not want to see happen. Open
warfare on the roads would not benefit anyone but the tourists aren't going to stop coming too soon and more problems can be expected. Bajalou's post
is great, if Nomads can get citizens with connections to speak up, something might get accomplished. Good luck to us all!
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carlo
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In the last 4 months there have been about 6 car jackings in the baja headlines. They've all been between midnight and 6am. Don't drive through TJ
in the middle of the night. Especially if your vehicle screams I've got money.
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baja829
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My husband and I drive from Mexicali South to just above Puertecitos at least 4 times a month, generally after dark. Have never had a problem, always
felt safe and are leaving again in the morning, returning after dark -- hopefully holiday travelers will discourage possible problems. We've done
this for years, but always advise family and friends not to do so = seems as if we should begin to follow our own advice.
This is much food for thought and so sad for anyone to have to stop coming here== wonder what will happen on this side as the highway continues South
to Chapala over the next 2 yrs.
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Bajafun777
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baja829, have always driven from Mexicali to San Felipe after work and into the night with no problem also. Have only heard of a few times that the
tourist have been robbed by dirtbags on this road to San Felipe. It happen about three years ago and federal and state police started rolling on
these roads a few arrests made and no more robberies. Knock on wood it seems the road that direction is not a problem but less roads to run away if
cops got after you, so T.J. is still the best chance for these dirtbags. A strong boycot of Baja might be the thing to turn the situation around, no
pain no gain, let Mexico not be held accountable and it will only continue until someone dies. Later========bajafun777
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Pescador
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In nature, the wolves prey on large packs of animals like deer and elk but stay on the perimeters and attack the weak, sick and non-functional
members. They are never strong enough to hit the center of the herd.
The only problem is that we (meaning the people who come to baja) are not a very organized pack or group. We have surfers, fishermen, desert race
enthusiasts, travelers, campers, back road 4 wheel enthusiasts, and who knows what else. Even on this board it is apparent that we have liberals,
conservatives, libertarians, and a hodge podge of who knows what else. When this topic arose and someone suggested that we start writing letters even
those naysayers were doubting the effectiveness of that project. So our very diversity, which should be a strength, has split us into factions of
seperateness that makes us a weaker force to reckon with.
I don't have the answer, but I do know that if there was something that we could rally around "LIKE OUR OWN SAFETY AND WELLBEING" when traveling in
Mexico that if we were united and vocal that it would come to the attention of the proper people who do have the power to get something done. But
perhaps it is easier to do nothing, slink in and out of Mexico during the daytime light and hope that nothing happens. It is only hopeless if we
allow it to be so in our minds.
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awfulart
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hIjacking
Perhaps if we all called or e mailed Roger Hedgec-ck at
KOGO Radio in San Diego it might get on the air. Roger also has a national program, syndicated, on Saturdays. It is worth a try particularly if he
would mention the situation on his National program. Roger has always been at the forefront of those that believe illegal immigration IS
ILLEGAL!! .
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dccf
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Rick Rogers has a show on San Diego 760AM from 5:00AM to 10;00AM weekday mornings. He has featured the two most violent incidents and interviewed
the BP Supevisor in the last couple of days. He sounds irate enough to the help us stay headied in the right direction.
Also, I suggested we contact Donald Trump and was told he doesn't care at all about us. Maybe it's time to think again about telling him all those
customers he sold Ensenada condos to in San Diego last week will have to run the gauntlet to see their "property".
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wornout
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Maybe SCORE should talk with the powers that be in Ensenada, about pulling the three races out of Baja, to get some Politicos to put some pressure on
eliminating this hijacking situation. It is not a lot of tourist money to all of Mexico but it is a lot of tourist money to Baja.
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awfulart
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Hijacking
Todays issue of the North County Times (San Diego) has an article on the front page detailing some of the incidents. It appears to reflect some of
the info already on this thread.
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by awfulart
Todays issue of the North County Times (San Diego) has an article on the front page detailing some of the incidents. It appears to reflect some of
the info already on this thread. |
link to the N.C. Times is: http://www.nctimes.com/
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The Sculpin
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If you bring in Hedgec-ck and Roberts into this, you taint the issue with their own personal demagoguery. I would advise to let the issue stand on its
own and not bring it into the illegal alien debate. There are many people on a national level that feel that these two only play at the fears of the
nation, and you wouldn't want these real and serious issues to be written off as just another example. Better to work with those who can actually do
something about it.
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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awfulart
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Sculpin might be correct but on the other hand perhaps he might be wrong. I guess we must form our own opinion . However, name calling generally
solves nothing.
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RD55
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Maybe somebody should remind them.......
Mission
UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL
SAN DIEGO SECTOR
TO ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW ALONG THE BORDER, WHILE ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WE PROUDLY SERVE.
WE VALUE:
PROFESSIONALISM
We strive toward the highest standard of ethical conduct.
HUMAN LIFE
We value human life and seek a safe environment for all.
INTEGRITY
We value honesty and integrity; always remaining loyal to the mission of the Service.
TRUST
We hold ourselves accountable in the performance of our duties to create and maintain an environment of trust.
SHARED EFFORT
We value ourselves, our community, and working together to solve issues of mutual concern.
Commissioned by the Agents and the Staff of San Diego Sector |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
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I think people try to report these incidents at the border like this family did- but what you hear from the US Border Patrol is "you basically asked
for it by going down there in the first place". They blame the victim and do nothing to help (the "go to macdonalds for help" attitude has to stop!).
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Just to set the record straight. The agency at the Port of Entry is U.S. Customs. The U.S. Border Patrol is the agency looking for people sneaking
across the border in the hills between ports of entry.
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On another note, this is one of the best threads about safety in Baja I've read on any forum. To all who've posted - thanks.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wornout
Maybe SCORE should talk with the powers that be in Ensenada, about pulling the three races out of Baja, to get some Politicos to put some pressure on
eliminating this hijacking situation. It is not a lot of tourist money to all of Mexico but it is a lot of tourist money to Baja.
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I think this suggestion has legs. With some of the racers being victims themselves Score should be dealing with the issue already. Anyone here have
Sal's ear?
Ken
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Sculpin
If you bring in Hedgec-ck and Roberts into this, you taint the issue with their own personal demagoguery. I would advise to let the issue stand on its
own and not bring it into the illegal alien debate. There are many people on a national level that feel that these two only play at the fears of the
nation, and you wouldn't want these real and serious issues to be written off as just another example. Better to work with those who can actually do
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Yes! This shouldn't be a political issue. Those particular broadcasters could get the word out, but they could also diffuse the impact by wrapping
this issue in their larger agenda. If they were to responsibly report this issue as a stand-alone, I would be for giving it to them.
As Pescador said, we are a cross section of people and interests and need to band together in this.
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Hook
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Wouldn't it make sense for us to enlist the support of the State Department in the US and the equivalent Canadian entity? I mean, arent they
THEORETICALLY interested in the safety of their citizens abroad.
I dislike the Hedgec-ck/Roberts idea as they will find a way to make this issue divisive............if only for ratings. That's the nature of their
business.
I'd say an organized effort through that umbrella business organization in San Diego that is involved with a TJ business organization is the way to
go. Get THEM to approach the State Depts. about this issue. Cant remember the name of the group but I think they were involved in cancelling a
proposed SANDAG meeting in TJ a couple years ago when the safety of the group could not be guaranteed by the TJ police.
Of course, these business groups would never countenance a boycott but at least this could yield high visibility on the situation with no divisive axe
to grind.
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
All the talk about boycotts from folks like the ones on Baja Nomad and letters to Vincent Bond, etc will amount to nothing. There is no political will
to do anything about this in Mexico - if we haven't figured that out by now, we never will.
HERE is the kind of thing that MIGHT, truly, have an effect:
http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36312
When race teams like the McMillins start talking about not racing in Mexico any longer, I imagine folks like Sal Fish might start to pay attention. If
the threat of the Baja races coming to a close or not attracting the high-end teams they do today doesn't do it, nothing will.
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Still wondering what happend to the Weekend Warrior trailer they had to leave behind that belonged to Andy McMillan?
Anyone heard more details?
[Edited on 11-27-2007 by BajaWarrior]
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
All the talk about boycotts from folks like the ones on Baja Nomad and letters to Vincent Bond, etc will amount to nothing. There is no political will
to do anything about this in Mexico - if we haven't figured that out by now, we never will.
HERE is the kind of thing that MIGHT, truly, have an effect:
http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36312
When race teams like the McMillins start talking about not racing in Mexico any longer, I imagine folks like Sal Fish might start to pay attention. If
the threat of the Baja races coming to a close or not attracting the high-end teams they do today doesn't do it, nothing will.
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Still wondering what happend to the Weekend Warrior trailer they had to leave behind that belonged to Andy McMillan?
Anyone heard more details?
[Edited on 11-27-2007 by BajaWarrior] |
A new taco stand in Rosarito?
Tacos Cartelos?
Dont order the cabeza.............
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