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Sport or .....???
I am curious to know what most of you Nomads consider a sport. Growing up, I participated in many different sports. I always was under the impression
that sports demanded a certain amount of strenght, agility and fortitude to be called a sport. As, for example, track and field, gymnastics, tennis,
soccer, football, baseball, and the like. Than somehow golf entered the field. Not a sport to me. Many golfers take their physical shape serious these
days, but there are still serious shapeless individuals participating. Laura Davis, Meg Mellon, Tim Herron come to mind. Not to mention the countless
fat individuals you can find daily on the country's courses, using carts to carry their lard around. Sport ???
And then, should car racing and rallying be considered a sport ? On most of the sport channels on the Tube nowadays we are fed the poker
championships. Is that a sport ? Where do we draw the line, if we were inclined to draw one ?
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David K
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I would define 'sport' as any activity that draws both participants and spectators.
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I would define 'sport' as any activity that draws both participants and spectators. |
Like amateur night at the strip joint?
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Alan
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Like amateur night at the strip joint? |
As in "sportin' ladies"
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Al G
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Sport...competitive fun...why would you want to make a distinction?
Albert G
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What is Hemingway's "there are only three sports" quote?
Answer "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."
This is one in a long list of quotations mysteriously attributed to Ernest Hemingway. While the general public seem to agree that this is in fact a
Hemingway quotation, scholars have some reservations and for good reason. The early Hemingway did not believe that bullfighting was a sport. For him
it was a tragedy. See his October 20, 1923 article titled "Bullfighting A Tragedy" reprinted in By-Line: Ernest Hemingway Selected Articles and
Dispatches of Four Decades edited by William White. Hemingway reiterates his beliefs regarding the tragedy of bullfighting in his 1932 book, Death in
the Afternoon.
In July of 2006, Gerald Roush, a visitor to Timeless Hemingway, provided a possible source for the "three sports" quotation. He cited a story titled
"Blood Sport" by Ken Purdy, which originally appeared in the July 27, 1957 edition of the Saturday Evening Post. The story is reprinted in Ken Purdy's
Book of Automobiles (1972). Gerald provided a scan of where the quotation appeared and it reads as follows: " 'There are three sports,' she remembered
Helmut Ovden saying. 'Bullfighting, motor racing, mountain climbing. All the rest are recreations.' " Gerald noted that the character of Helmut Ovden
is modelled after Ernest Hemingway. This could explain why the quote has been so widely attributed to Hemingway over the years.
In May of 2007, Rocky Entriken wrote to Timeless Hemingway with another possible author of the "three sports" quotation:
"As I am told, the quote belongs to Barnaby Conrad, a writer of the same era as Hemingway and a San Francisco raconteur of some note. Mostly he
did magazine articles but his books include The Death of Manolete. My source is Dan Gerber, yet another writer of the era."
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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K31
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whatever makes you sweaty and huffn and puffn..
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I do not know if golf is really a sport but just know that I carry my Lard around in a golf cart when I can get out and play. 
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Fred
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I think the best sport I knew was the girl next door when I was growing up.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by K31
whatever makes you sweaty and huffn and puffn.. |
Reminds me of sex...is that competitive fun???
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
What is Hemingway's "there are only three sports" quote?
Answer "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."
This is one in a long list of quotations mysteriously attributed to Ernest Hemingway. While the general public seem to agree that this is in fact a
Hemingway quotation, scholars have some reservations and for good reason. The early Hemingway did not believe that bullfighting was a sport. For him
it was a tragedy. See his October 20, 1923 article titled "Bullfighting A Tragedy" reprinted in By-Line: Ernest Hemingway Selected Articles and
Dispatches of Four Decades edited by William White. Hemingway reiterates his beliefs regarding the tragedy of bullfighting in his 1932 book, Death in
the Afternoon.
In July of 2006, Gerald Roush, a visitor to Timeless Hemingway, provided a possible source for the "three sports" quotation. He cited a story titled
"Blood Sport" by Ken Purdy, which originally appeared in the July 27, 1957 edition of the Saturday Evening Post. The story is reprinted in Ken Purdy's
Book of Automobiles (1972). Gerald provided a scan of where the quotation appeared and it reads as follows: " 'There are three sports,' she remembered
Helmut Ovden saying. 'Bullfighting, motor racing, mountain climbing. All the rest are recreations.' " Gerald noted that the character of Helmut Ovden
is modelled after Ernest Hemingway. This could explain why the quote has been so widely attributed to Hemingway over the years.
In May of 2007, Rocky Entriken wrote to Timeless Hemingway with another possible author of the "three sports" quotation:
"As I am told, the quote belongs to Barnaby Conrad, a writer of the same era as Hemingway and a San Francisco raconteur of some note. Mostly he
did magazine articles but his books include The Death of Manolete. My source is Dan Gerber, yet another writer of the era." |
Oso, in "Death in the Afternoon" Hemingway devoted a huge amount of space to argue that bullfighting is a spectacle and not a
sport.
++Ken++
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From Wikipedia:
Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where
the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to
include activities such as mind sports and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors.
[Edited on 1-6-2008 by Ken Bondy]
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
equipment quality are major factors.
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Which brings us back to amateur night.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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marv sherrill
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What about World Series of Poker????
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
What is Hemingway's "there are only three sports" quote?
Answer "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."
This is one in a long list of quotations mysteriously attributed to Ernest Hemingway. While the general public seem to agree that this is in fact a
Hemingway quotation, scholars have some reservations and for good reason. The early Hemingway did not believe that bullfighting was a sport. For him
it was a tragedy. See his October 20, 1923 article titled "Bullfighting A Tragedy" reprinted in By-Line: Ernest Hemingway Selected Articles and
Dispatches of Four Decades edited by William White. Hemingway reiterates his beliefs regarding the tragedy of bullfighting in his 1932 book, Death in
the Afternoon.
In July of 2006, Gerald Roush, a visitor to Timeless Hemingway, provided a possible source for the "three sports" quotation. He cited a story titled
"Blood Sport" by Ken Purdy, which originally appeared in the July 27, 1957 edition of the Saturday Evening Post. The story is reprinted in Ken Purdy's
Book of Automobiles (1972). Gerald provided a scan of where the quotation appeared and it reads as follows: " 'There are three sports,' she remembered
Helmut Ovden saying. 'Bullfighting, motor racing, mountain climbing. All the rest are recreations.' " Gerald noted that the character of Helmut Ovden
is modelled after Ernest Hemingway. This could explain why the quote has been so widely attributed to Hemingway over the years.
In May of 2007, Rocky Entriken wrote to Timeless Hemingway with another possible author of the "three sports" quotation:
"As I am told, the quote belongs to Barnaby Conrad, a writer of the same era as Hemingway and a San Francisco raconteur of some note. Mostly he
did magazine articles but his books include The Death of Manolete. My source is Dan Gerber, yet another writer of the era." |
Oso, in "Death in the Afternoon" Hemingway devoted a huge amount of space to argue that bullfighting is a spectacle and not a
sport.
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I agree, and my post points out that Papa never said it was a sport. I am somewhat of an aficionado of the fiesta taurina but I don't think of it as
a sport and I don't like the English term "bullfighting". The matador (literally "killer") does not "fight" the bull. Unfortunately there is no
really adequate translation for "Lidiar". Spectacle maybe, drama certainly, sacrificial rite oerhaps, test of courage definitely, reenactment of the
primordial contest of brain over brawn, the necessary treachery of human intelligence over fang, claw or horn of bigger animals. The only similarity
I see between the faena and NASCAR is that many "fans" go in hopes of seeing someone die.
BTW, if I did not feel a certain sympathy for the bull, I would not be human. Still, I am drawn to the "spectacle" in a way I don't completely
understand.
[Edited on 1-6-2008 by Oso]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by K31
whatever makes you sweaty and huffn and puffn.. |
Reminds me of sex...is that competitive fun??? |
In high school in Maryland, some of the guys would cruise 7th St. in D.C. on the weekend evenings where we would be asked: "You gents sportin'
tonight?"
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
I agree, and my post points out that Papa never said it was a sport. I am somewhat of an aficionado of the fiesta taurina but I don't think of it as
a sport and I don't like the English term "bullfighting". The matador (literally "killer") does not "fight" the bull. Unfortunately there is no
really adequate translation for "Lidiar". Spectacle maybe, drama certainly, sacrificial rite oerhaps, test of courage definitely, reenactment of the
primordial contest of brain over brawn, the necessary treachery of human intelligence over fang, claw or horn of bigger animals. The only similarity
I see between the faena and NASCAR is that many "fans" go in hopes of seeing someone die.
BTW, if I did not feel a certain sympathy for the bull, I would not be human. Still, I am drawn to the "spectacle" in a way I don't completely
understand.
[Edited on 1-6-2008 by Oso] |
I should have pointed out that my comment was intended to amplify your statement about Papa. I know what you mean about La Corrida, I wrote this
somewhere:
I think I was a Mexican in another life. I have a strangely powerful attraction for Mexico and all things Latin. The attraction is particularly
strong for that part of Mexico known as Baja California. Perhaps it was just proximity; I grew up in the Los Angeles area, less than 200 miles from
the Mexican border. I can’t remember exactly how I got interested in Baja (the other life, maybe?) but I started going to Tijuana shortly after high
school. I am uncomfortable admitting this, but one of the initial attractions I had to Latin culture was bullfighting. I was a huge Hemingway fan
and “Death in the Afternoon” was a strong influence. The Latin pageantry, the whole spectacle of the Tijuana “Bullring by the Sea” grabbed me—but
eventually the brutality and cruelty of the “corrida” outweighed the fun parts of the afternoon and I lost interest. I do remember loving the
cultural shock of crossing the border, the mostly friendly chaos of the Tijuana streets, the drive out Calle Segunda to Playas de Tijuana, the colors,
the smells of the mesquite fires. It was amazing that everything could be that different by just passing a few feet over some imaginary line. It was
an attraction for me that would last a lifetime.
++Ken++
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Al G
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"The only similarity I see between the faena and NASCAR is that many "fans" go in hopes of seeing someone die."
Interesting analysis, but just not true...true many fans go to see spectacular wreaks and often get their fill. When tragedy strikes, a sickness
spreads over the fans like a black plague and the closer you are to the racing family involved the deeper and longer it last.
It is also true there are some really sick people in the world and no sport is immune from them.
NASCAR fans are well aware of the many safety measures in race cars today and do not expect major injury. I raced 7 years NASCAR late model...in the
early 70's and the cars were safe enough then, that I think I was the worst injury with two sprung ankles...one fan was injured enough to go to the Hospital for x rays....the starter got knocked off his perch and was off
for a couple weeks...
As just a thought on bullfighting...the closest similarity to it is a staged wrestling match...except the blood is real
Albert G
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bajadedom
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ESPN = Exclusively Sports Programming Network.....
If its on - it must be Sport??
Maybe all sport should require an adjective.....
Competitive Sport
Recreational Sport
Firearm Sport
Psycholigical Sport
Automotive Sport
I figure if its competition it is a FORM of sport.....
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