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tripledigitken
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Has recent border crime altered your trips to Baja?
I have changed the way I visit Baja, but not visiting isn't an option for me.
I have to say I wish we could roll back time about 15 years though.
Ken
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by tripledigitken]
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Al G
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Ken, I won't vote in this as I see it lessening the seriousness of the events that has created what little effort the government has provided...we
need to make it clear that change is needed and the corrupt cops are put in jail.
People with a lot of Baja experience have little to fear, but others are walking into a very serious risk to their life and property.
I will go in through end of this month, but if anything major happens, I will fly down for just 6 weeks and come back until Baja Norte get it's act
together...
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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DanO
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I will no longer drive at night north of Ensenada, which is too bad, since we used to bomb down late at night after work. That loses essentially half
a day for travel, but avoiding the risk is worth it. Won't stop to eat anywhere north of Ensenada either even in daylight, unless the truck is parked
where I can see it or I can get it inside the chained up lot at La Fonda. Little matter, as there are tons of great places to eat in Ensenada these
days.
Also, as a consequence of the increasing car thefts in Ensenada (a good friend's F250 containing all of his contracting equipment was stolen right
outside the sports book last November, among other things), I will not leave my truck parked in that town where I can't see it, even though it has
92,000 miles on it.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Ken, I won't vote in this as I see it lessening the seriousness of the events that has created what little effort the government has provided...
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This was not done to make light of the situation believe me.
Just a poll to see what changes Nomads have made in their travel plans.
Ken
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Hook
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I consider myself an oldtimer, I guess. I am not afraid as much as I am making a personal statement that things must change before I venture down. I
would not shun the toll road if I were going, unless it was dark.
I'd say it probably has cost Baja 5-10 trips down over the last year and a half. Most of those would have been the weekend runs to the La Mision to
Ensenada corridor for eats, drinks and light shopping.
I see this poll as potentially pretty significant for anyone interested in this issue to see, as I would rate the average Nomad much more of a chance
taker than the average person considering going to Baja. If it has altered a significant number of Nomads' plans, I would personally extrapolate that
to affecting a MUCH larger percentage of the general population in the US.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I see this poll as potentially pretty significant for anyone interested in this issue to see, as I would rate the average Nomad much more of a chance
taker than the average person considering going to Baja. If it has altered a significant number of Nomads' plans, I would personally extrapolate that
to affecting a MUCH larger percentage of the general population in the US. |
My thoughts exactly! I was surprized by DK's quote this morning on another thread..."We have Baja Nomad to keep us happy until it is safe to
return..."
If seasoned Baja travelers feel unsafe in Baja, what does that say for the average traveler, let alone one wanting to go for the first time?
Ken
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by tripledigitken]
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4baja
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after my buddy was shot driveing at night on the toll road i no longer drive at night in that area. i still have to go and get my fix 
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Bajagypsy
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We will and do still travel down, just are a bit more aware of when we are travelling and what is going on around us.
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CaboRon
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I´ve got no choice .... I live in Baja Sur ......
CaboRon
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tripledigitken
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Cabo Ron,
You have a couple of choices, you can fly and you can avoid the Toll road if you drive.
Ken
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by tripledigitken]
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
I´ve got no choice .... I live in Baja Sur ......
CaboRon |
Well. at least you have flying for an option.
Imagine being invested from San Quintin to maybe Mulege. Now, THAT's pretty much no choice.
I guess Capt Mike might disagree.............
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Sunman
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Nope
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I see this poll as potentially pretty significant for anyone interested in this issue to see, as I would rate the average Nomad much more of a chance
taker than the average person considering going to Baja. If it has altered a significant number of Nomads' plans, I would personally extrapolate that
to affecting a MUCH larger percentage of the general population in the US. |
My thoughts exactly! I was surprized by DK's quote this morning on another thread..."We have Baja Nomad to keep us happy until it is safe to
return..."
If seasoned Baja travelers feel unsafe in Baja, what does that say for the average traveler, let alone one wanting to go for the first time?
Ken
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by tripledigitken] |
Our trip to the El Rosario Festival, Asuncion, & Mulege last July was our last trip to Baja... We did take time out for the Baja 1000 in November,
but with the recent mafia activity and what happened to the surfers and later the 1000 race team member family... we happily did a tour of Arizona
instead.
I love Baja so very much, but the senseless murders Antonio's two brothers-in-law in Nov. '06 had quite an impact on our thinking... and when more
police were murdered and now tourists attacked, it is time to give Mexico a loud message... and they respond the quickest when we stop bringing money
down...
I am sure that the draw of Baja on me will cause me to cross the border soon enough, but it would be nice to have some law and order established, even
if by martial law...
I do hope that things are good so that we may enjoy the Baja-Rosario Cultural Festival next July. Until then, I will probably cross at Mexicali and
just stick with beach vacations on Shell Island or Gonzaga Bay as I had done for so many years before.
If Baja stays a mess, than we will be enjoying Hawaii our next vacation! ALOHA!!
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Bajaboy
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Nope-I still cross the border between 4-5am. I miss all the traffic which in my opinion is much safer and quicker.
Zac
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Von
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what about a little bit? I hate that border!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss my BaJA!
READY SET.....................
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Nope-I still cross the border between 4-5am. I miss all the traffic which in my opinion is much safer and quicker.
Zac |
What are you driving? A Taco?
No one wants one of those.
I have to question whether those who say it has no effect havent actually altered their departure and return times to avoid The Gauntlet at night. I
never avoided night driving on the toll road the way I might have in other parts of the pen. Sure wouldnt do it now.
Well, maybe with 2000 troops along the route..........
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by Hook]
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DianaT
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We just cross the border a little later than before and only return during the daylight.
But since we now own a home here, we actually cross the border more than before.
Do hope things improve, however. We are never real comfortable parking in Ensenada while we shop at Home Depot and/or Costco.
Diane
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Acuity
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We don't drive at night, but we do still use the toll highway, and look to go when there's lots of traffic - say Saturday am. We are careful, and
don't drive an ostentatious vehicle.
It would apear that it is getting more dangerous even when you're actually down here, judging by the number of bold, repeat robberies.
I wish we could go back to the days of innocence, but ...
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Skipjack Joe
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Like most of you we are in the wait and see mode for a while.
Since the shootings are not totally random in baja, but occur in certain locations and during certain blocks of time we feel the odds are still
overwhelmingly in our favor if we do things 'right'. So there is a sense of nervousness (that has actually been increasing steadily for a decade) in
our travels but we still plan to go to baja at our next opportunity.
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salvavida
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Yep, altered my habits for sure. No more weekend trips with my wife and kids. Who likes to be on guard just to drive for lunchtime tacos? I used
to drive 12 hours at night solo to get to my favorite place(never was advisable,I know). Now it takes the better part of two days so I can be sure to
drive during daylight ,and I only travel with an experienced co-pilot, no longer alone. The feeling of freedom in the Norte and Central is gone but
maybe some structured law enforcement will restore a sense of safety. I like driving down there and flying/staying in a hotel is just not the same as
camping. It's more of a bummer that my kids wont experience Baja so close to the border the way I did.
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