shari
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who is the nomad working on baja family trees...ancestors?
A nomad contacted me awhile back asking about my husband's (Juan Arce Marron) relatives on the Marron side...what their other apellidos were....but I
lost the email or U2U...does anyone know the Nomad doing this research on baja family histories??? my search turned up zippo. I have the names now and
was interested in providing them.
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David K
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Yes, it is probably Baja Bucko... she has been researching the Arce's and other Californio family trees... as well as riding sections of the Camino
Real on a mule!
In my web site, under links to Baja Message Boards are these two forums, of interest to research Baja families:
Baja California (Norte) Ancestry Forum
Baja California Sur Ancestry Forum
[Edited on 2-1-2008 by David K]
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shari
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Baja family histories are fascinating...Juan's mother's ancestors were Marrons who originated from an Egyptian sailor who jumped ship in San Jose del
Cabo way back when....who'd a thought!
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bajalera
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Shari, have you used Pablo L. Martinez's Guia Familiar de Baja California?
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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Iflyfish
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There is evidence of trade between ancient Egypt and the new world. They have found residues of cocain, marijuana and tobacco in the bodies of ancient
Egyptian mummies. This finding has been replicated and points to very ancient trade routes, probably with the Mayas. This finding of course created a
great deal of controversy in the historical communities, fascinating research.
Iflyfish
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Baja Bucko
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Familias Antiguas
Shari-That be me.....35 yrs of Baja genealogy work and still going....I get there via computer, truck, and mule. Be down very soon looking for dead
people. BB
My other 4WD is a Baja Mule!
La Mula Mil Survivor 2013-2014!
1000 miles by mule from the tip to Tecate!
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shari
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Where can I find Pablo Martinez gia familiar??? LOve your 4X4 style bucko! Wish I could come along on one of your rides!
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Baja Bucko
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Guia Familiar
Good luck in locating this book by Pablo Martinez. I purchased my copy over 25 years ago. The cover is paper and it is very thick pagewise. My copy
is now extremely well-worn and I have tried to find another copy many times over the years as back up. Loaded w info but 75% of my research is done
via microfilm-the rest in personal interviews, exploration of cemeteries, and GF.
There is another good book I own called Datos which covers some of BCN from 1900-1905-I found my missing (long-lost) grt grt grt grandfather's son
marrying there 1901 (San Telmo). Also pieced together what happened when grt grt grt grandpa Juan Marron left his LA Californio family while running
cattle back and forth from San Telmo to Los Angeles in the 1870s, got another "wife" and had "other" children. He later died "in a knife fight in
connection w a card game(??" possibly in the San Rafael area before 1896.
As a side note in 1990 I went in to the ex-mission of Santo Domingo and there met the granddaughter of the brother of my grt grt grt.....her stories
put together all the missing pieces..she was in her 80's I believe. Genealogy can be as boring as mud or a real addiction. I had spent over 20
years going thru the San Telmo area on my way to pack trips in the San Pedro Martir and was fascinated with San Telmo. I had taken info and stories
and had NO IDEA my Marron guy had ever been near the vally. When I started putting all the pieces together I was so amazed! SOMETHING kept drawing
me back to the San Telmo area and it was an "ancestor" thing.....wow-talk abt the twilight zone in life.
My other 4WD is a Baja Mule!
La Mula Mil Survivor 2013-2014!
1000 miles by mule from the tip to Tecate!
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David K
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Great story Bucko... Thank you for sharing!!!
You could sure write one heck of a good book, with all your research and El Camino Real trips and explorations!
Neal Johns and I are patiently waiting for you to write it!!!
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bajalera
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Good story, Bucko, and you're right on--that guide is really scarce.
The copy I got at Aramburo's bookstore in 1966 was ripped off by a Mexican friend, but on a trip down the peninsula in '73 I ran into somebody at San
Jose del C who told me Don Pablo's brother had copies. Looked him up, and he had a little stack of them he was selling off.
The info in the book is really valuable--you'd think that somebody would get around to doing a reprint.
Do you ever get down to La Paz, Shari? I'd be glad to lend you my copy.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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susanna
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My mother was born in St Rosalia in 1915 so i have always been interested in baja and in 1990 for the first time we drove and took my Mom to her birth
place.Her maiden name was Armenta and the family originated in Sinaloa.She enjoyed walking the streets and took pictures by the train on the main
street by the Bollillo Bakery.She would talk about her father being a musician in Mulege.
Maybe someone out there might of heard the family name not sure when the
family imigrated to the US , but she was in her teens.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by susanna ...
Maybe someone out there might of heard the family name not sure when the
family imigrated to the US , but she was in her teens. |
Here's where to begin searching: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.mexico.bajacal... (this link and others of interest to us Baja people are listed in my web site
links section)
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Iflyfish
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Lencho, been on the road for 4 months in USofA, very poor internet, worse time connecting than in Baja, anyway read an intersting book on the trip,
forget name now, talks about how plants have interacted with people and influenced them to the benifit of the plants i.e. apples, tulips, marijuana
strains. Seems that the plants have a symbiotic relationship with humans and we do their bidding.
You are right about Coca and mummies. The residue of Coca was found in Egyptian mummies that were gathered before cocaine was introduced into the
west. Residues of tobacco and new world marijuana were also found in those mummies. Caused a big stir and debate in the Historical community as the
evidence of these mummies showed ongoing trade millenia before the conquest. Very interesting stuff given the pyramid making of the Mesoamericans and
their interest in astronomy and mathamatics.
Iflyfish
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