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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 06:07 PM


Beautiful view of the Matomi Canyon !
Do you have any view from Matomi Peak in the north direction of
Tres Palomas and Picacho ?
The next report about Tres Palomas is:
http://angeles.sierraclub.org/dps/archives/dps02520.htm
and in between there must be saddles leading to El Cajon and Agua Caliente.

[Edited on 2008-2-12 by tajo]
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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 06:42 PM


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Anyway thanks to Mtgoat666 for the info about Cerro Venado Blanco - but i don't see it on the Schad's map - maybe because I have only a southern half of the map, and it is north.


t's a 2-sided map. sounds like you got a copy of only the side with zoomed view of high peaks. buy another copy if you want map of entire park, which shows venado blanco.
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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 06:45 PM


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Beautiful view of the Matomi Canyon !
Do you have any view from Matomi Peak in the north direction of
Tres Palomas and Picacho ?
The next report about Tres Palomas is:
http://angeles.sierraclub.org/dps/archives/dps02520.htm
and in between there must be saddles leading to El Cajon and Agua Caliente.

[Edited on 2008-2-12 by tajo]


Please take a minute and click over to Mexitron's photos, in the link above for photos from the top of Cerro Matomi ... Here it is again: http://vivabaja.com/mexitron




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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 07:35 PM


Canon Cajon was called Canon Santa Rosa in some of the early 20th century maps, (Edward Nelson - Lower California and it's Natural Resources) from a survey around 19 05-06 for the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture.



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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 08:08 PM


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tajo--that's an intersting article on Pico Matomi by John Robinson. By the way, Barry A.--if you read the article it mentions the "Gunsight Notch" I was talking about in reference to the Canon Guadalupe area--its actually above Parral on the way to Matomi.

I'll see if I have any of the documentation on the Nordhoff's trip to the SPM...if not I'll try to get some from Frank Nordhoff in CA.


Mexitron-----I see that reference----that clears that up!! I have tried to drive up Parral Canyon 3 different times in the past 12 years, or so, and each time have run into a locked gate that we could not breach-----so I have never been up Parral far enough to actually see "gunsight notch". I have driven up to the Ranch house in upper Matomi, which must be fairly close to the "notch", but we did not know what we were looking at. Thanks for alerting me.

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[*] posted on 2-11-2008 at 08:11 PM


Here's the view looking north from the top of Matomi along the hogback ridge--its pretty hazy though...just to the center right I think is Cerro, eh, forgot (begins with a "C" I think) which is midway between Matomi and Blue Bottle:


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[*] posted on 2-29-2008 at 08:25 PM


Nice pictures...

Most likely we'll leave Los Angeles on April 6, and probably start hiking from Vallecitos on April 8. At this point, I think we will probably only hike from Vallecitos to La Grulla(via La Tasajera road) and then attempt to ascend La Encantada Meadow, eventually returning the same way as opposed to looping up through Los Llanitos...one thing at a time...I estimate that the first "SOLO" hiking sign along the La Tasajera road is about 17 miles from La Encantada Meadow, making this a four or five day trip easily, granted there are no unfortunate mishaps.

At altitudes between 8100 and 6600 feet, the chance of snow hindering the traverse seems unlikely at that time of year, although I do not count on anything being certain in the Sierra de San Pedro Martir...the main obstacles are water and navigation. I'm sure that five weeks from now water will not be a problem on the plateau. As far as navigating that region, I can only base my impression on previous experience, which has proven that entire range to be treacherous and particularly unforgiving. According to rare historical text, the high meadows of the San Pedro Martir are rich in human history, once seasonaly inhabited by the Kiliwa people- assuring me that, at least, people have found there way through these mountains and their massive trees and confusing rocks for thousands of years...
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[*] posted on 3-1-2008 at 09:54 AM


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Nice pictures...

Most likely we'll leave Los Angeles on April 6, and probably start hiking from Vallecitos on April 8.
At altitudes between 8100 and 6600 feet, the chance of snow hindering the traverse seems unlikely at that time of year,


last time I was there in early april, we had freezing nites and days in the 60s F. we also found snow patches in shady areas throughout the plateau. freezing nites were not a problem as lots of wood for camp fires. don't rule out a snow flurry or storm in April, but low likelihood.
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[*] posted on 3-1-2008 at 10:21 AM
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In 2004, Gerald Jide and I explored some of the eastside San Pedro Martir canyons. http://vivabaja.com/404

We met up with Baja Lou and a dune buggy caravan from El Dorado Ranch. Also, some of the gang who backpacked to Mision San Pedro Martir with Jack Swords (Mexitron, Taco de Baja, Pappy) was at the Parral gate Barry A mentioned, on their way to Matomi Canyon.

Barry, we were in luck, the gate was OPEN! So we drove ahead nearly 2 miles to a large corral and set up camp there. The next day, we continued on towards Rancho El Parral for 0.6 mile to a major washout, parked and began to hike. It was 1.0 mile to the ranch (abandoned).

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VIEW EAST towards Valle Chico



VIEW WEST towards the San Pedro Martir



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Behind the ranch

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[*] posted on 3-23-2008 at 10:52 AM


Great pics! Really illustrates the amazing contrast of the Sierra de San Pedro Martir. The latitude of this place seems to provide a stunning uniqeness wherein the best of the northern and southern climate zones are encompassed; coastal chaparral, pine & oak woodland, old growth mixed coniferous forest and meadowland, alpine peaks, and sublime arid desert. Native palms thrive less than ten miles from white fir and lodgepole pines!!

Perhaps the only other place where such botanical constrasts occur is in the San Jacinto Mountains at the extreme Northern end of the peninsular cordillera, or perhaps in the Andes Range of South America where the desert, altiplano and rainforest abound one another within only a slight distance.

Well, that's Baja for you- the essence of strangeley distibuted wilderness...

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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 04:24 AM


Geo-Shane---the curious botanical assemblages in this area has always drawn me to the SPM, especially the southern flanks where they rather abruptly begin the transition to the central desert...here's some Cardon on the hilside in the distance with California Live Oak (var. oxydenia) in the foreground.

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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 08:33 AM


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In 2004, Gerald Jide and I explored some of the eastside San Pedro Martir canyons. http://vivabaja.com/404

We met up with Baja Lou and a dune buggy caravan from El Dorado Ranch. Also, some of the gang who backpacked to Mision Santa Maria with Jack Swords (Mexitron, Taco de Baja, Pappy) was at the Parral gate Barry A mentioned, on their way to Matomi Canyon.


You meant to say Mission San Pedro Martir.....

Santa Maria (when the only access was a several mile walk) was a cake walk hike compared to Mission SPM. Even me, as a 5 year old, hiked to Santa Maria in 1971 in a day (in and out) with the San Diego Chapter of the Sierra Club. I think Barry A's Aunt was even along on that trip.


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I highly recommend bring along a water filter on your Vallecitos – Tasajera – Grulla –Encantada – Llanitos -Cerro La Botella Azul/Scout Peak hike, Geothermal-Shane. As Mexitron said some of the water up there is in spring seeps, and is rather mossy and dirty….

Also, have good maps and a good GPS unit, and if something seems strange, it probably is. La Encantada has its name for a reason… :)




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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 09:56 AM


Of course!!! Yes, Mision San Pedro Martir... thanks Brooks, I spell out Santa Maria so often, it was bound to happen!

Here are the photos taken of Mision San Pedro Martir (and maps you made) when you all were up there (following the floor plan of the mission drawn by Meigs: http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions/page12.html

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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 09:39 PM


About a mile south of Canyon Guadalupe, there is a canyon/trail that was used to drive cattle up to the high meadows. The trail starts from Canyon Guadalupe a few hundred yards below where the road crosses the Canyon to access the south campground. Note the many rust stains on the rocks from the shod horses/mules. If cows can do it....



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