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shari
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Rock Carvings...old or new...a job for Nomad Super Slueths
I have been searching the internet for days and can't seem to get anywhere so maybe this is a job for nomad super slueths. I would like to know if
these stone sculptures are pre-hispanic or recently made carvings. Anyone out there know anything about this topic or can suggest where I might find
out?
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Not indigenous to the peninsula or Jesuits would have mentioned them. Where do they come from?
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shari
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the collection
there are 18 sculptures in all...verybeautiful...unique...mysterious...another real baja adventure. I look forward to your comments, conjecture,
theories etc.
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Oh my word...the photos each got into their own thread...wow...maybe diabolical??? stranger things have happened on this board...hmmm...well, these
sculptures were shown to me by a man who claims to have carved them...we spent the day together and I asked lots of questions which left me somewhat
mystified as to their "real" origins. I guess I will have to go to the man's casa to find out...to see him carving in person before I can believe it.
Before I saw them, I had heard some rumors about a secret underground mission storage place that may have been looted....which adds intrigue to the
story! I would love to hear if anyone has ever seen anything like these. Juan seems to remember similar carvings at the mission in San Ignacio????
Anyone have any photos of such carvings??? I am simply fascinated by them and dream of them at night...I need to find out about them so I can rest!
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I can visualize these fantastic pieces on display in a fancy gallery or museum on elaborate bases with track lighting etc...if the artist is for
real...he would be a national treasure! I would love to help launch his career and see his pieces in an exhibition...he claims each piece takes more
or less a couple weeks and he started carving when he was tending goats in the hills 7 years ago. I'm gonna put a slide show together of all the
pieces from different angles. I LOVE them.
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bajalera
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Whoever carved them, they sure look worthwhile. Is he selling them, and if so, for how much?
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Quanita has them for sale at Casa Leree and They have been seen at Nano Fongs. They are carved from a local here in San Ignaico. Will get more info
for you as to who it is. They are great though!
We all want a peaceful world, filled with love and laughter, but we fill ourselves with anger and hate trying to fiqure out how to achive it.
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Bajagypsy
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those are very beautiful, I love them
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Frank
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My wife is in love.....
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I'm not an expert Shari, but I would say the man is a creative artisan and needs someone like you to guide him along the way so he will not get
“Ripped Off” by some unscrupulous person.
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Another Baja Sculptor
On our first trip to Comondu we met the sculptor who did the rock face. He said he saw the face of the virgin in this rock, and took it home and
uncovered it. Second trip I bought the cane with the bird handpiece. Again he said the bird was always in there, he just brought him into view. He
has also shown us pieces similar to the ones in your picture, Shari, but yours are nicer. I think Bajame is right, yours are by the San Ignacio
sculptor. I've seen them at Casa Leree too.
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Iflyfish
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The rock wall is obviously pre columbian, done by a gifted artist.
The sculptures, not so old, nice, but that wall....cheez...it is spectacular!
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The sculptures are fantastic.
I am very interested in one of them regardless of their origin.
I will follow info with interest.
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If indeed the artist in question carved these, I would be honoured to help him...however as with many things here...some things are not as they
appear...I need someone to go to Enrique's house in San Ignacio and actually see him carving one..one half done for example to eliminate the doubts
lingering in my cabeza. The man asks $500 (dollars not pesos) for the small sculptures and 7-$800 for the bigger or more intricate ones. The price
seemed high to me but I imagine they could sell for that in a fancy gallery.
I find it interesting that most look like ancient carvings, indian themes but he never mentioned any interest in indigenous art.
Some of the photos got deleted due to a human error so I will put them back here...parental guidance suggested on the diablito...any ideas why the
horseshoe around his head?
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El Canaro
I loved this porous rock...this piece is called cantaro for the jug he is drinking out of...the back of the statue is awesome with his loincloth.
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expectant madre
I thought the braid on this woman was exquisite...simply lovely sculpture.
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resting
another porous rock one...
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tighten those cheeks!
mexican men sure love a large bottom!
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Shari,
If I remember correctly, you made a post a while ago with a similar carving of a mermaid? I liked it as well as these carvings. I think they are
beautiful and appreciate the size of them.
In Bahia, chunks of pumice stone litter the beaches. I collect it, which drives Dern crazy, because I keep each one until it "tells me" what it wants
to be.
Some of them are sea turtles, others turn into sealions chasing yellowtail through kelp. I never know what they are going to be until I sit in my
chair with a carving knife and stare at the rock. I have a shark that I carved, then inserted the teeth from a dolphin I found washed on shore. I used
black snails for it's eyeballs.
You asked what the horseshoe was all about on el diablo. Sometimes things appear where the artist had no intention of them being. It could have been
something else entirely that he was "seeing" when a chip took away his intended object, thus all of a sudden his creation is wearing a horseshoe.
I've got dolphins with only one pectoral fin because at the last minute the other fin snapped off, so I had to alter them to look like they're
swimming on their sides. I've thrown a headless sea turtle down the beach as well as a nearly completed whale because the tail broke away with too
much pressure from my knife.
My favorite carving was made from a very old piece of whale bone that I found. It was very soft and easy to work with.
I've never tried anything so big as the pieces you've photographed. Maybe this summer...
I hope you get to the end of your mystery. If this carver wants to be seen, you're a great P.R. person to get the job done.
P<*)))>{
[Edited on 10-6-2008 by Paulina]
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Aha! We have a real live sculptor in our midst.
Paulina, you have the experience to answer a question: Is it possible to turn out carvings like those in only a couple of weeks? Specifically, what
kind of tools do you use?
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
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