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astrobaja
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Antivenin update
Hi all,
An update to my post on the Mexican antivenin made by Bioclon. We found a reliable source in Ensenada, you can buy it at any Del Sol farmacia. It cost
us 880 pesos per dose, pretty cheap considering the vastly inferior stuff available on the American market is 10X's the price and has a very short
shelf life!
This stuff is considered to be the best on any market it is a 3rd generation antivenin, with none of the risk of anaphylaxis that conventional
antivenin has. I have some freinds who are herpatologists and this is the stuff they swear by! It is powered and needs no refigeration, also it is
administered intramuscularly which is much easier!
just an FYI post for those who live far from medical attention
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Thanks for the info.
Do you happen to know the shelf life?
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Hi Debra, I think the company states one year but my herpatologist contact said it remains effective up to 3 years!
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Great! Thanks
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you might tell everyone what it is for. they might not have caught your other posts.
thanks for the up date
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Antivenin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivenin
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astrobaja
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Good point Bruce,
Right well its an antivenin to be used in case of rattlesnake bite. They also have a product specifically for coral snake bite (I would imagine the
chance of getting bitten by one is much lower than by a rattler, although their venom is highly poisonous!)
Heres the link to the company:
http://www.bioclon.com.mx/ingles.html
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This is really Great news! Most of our dogs here in Pt. Chivato are inoculated and get booster shots every year. The anti venom is a two part and
needed an IV push and there aren't many folks here that can do that so this is a real blessing. Not to mention the price. Thanks a lot!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by astrobaja
It is powered and needs no refigeration, also it is administered intramuscularly which is much easier! |
You know the recommended dosage? I'm under the impression that it's a sequence, not just a single shot...
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That's right Larry. Some victims could require multiple injections depending on venom potency, victim size and weight and age and also the location
of the bite.
I received multiple antivenom shots. That was decades ago so I imagine the stuff is probably better now. From what I've heard and read one dose
usually is all a dog needs. Also, quick administration of the injection may give the victim an advantage.
$80 a dose still seems pricey but I'd still like some in my kit!
Thanks for the tip Astro.
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Russ
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We're paying $400 per dose in the States.
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Are there any vets out there that can elaborate on this
| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
This is really Great news! Most of our dogs here in Pt. Chivato are inoculated and get booster shots every year. The anti venom is a two part and
needed an IV push and there aren't many folks here that can do that so this is a real blessing. Not to mention the price. Thanks a lot!
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I was told that if you vaccinate your dog against snake bite and your dog is bitten and you administer the
anti venom serum , it will probably kill the dog. It was also mentioned in Gun Dog magazine, that no one has a good take on this subject.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bancoduo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
This is really Great news! Most of our dogs here in Pt. Chivato are inoculated and get booster shots every year. The anti venom is a two part and
needed an IV push and there aren't many folks here that can do that so this is a real blessing. Not to mention the price. Thanks a lot!
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I was told that if you vaccinate your dog against snake bite and your dog is bitten and you administer the
anti venom serum , it will probably kill the dog. It was also mentioned in Gun Dog magazine, that no one has a good take on this subject.
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I do hope someone who is in the know responds---our dogs are vacinated and a year ago, our Vet told us that if they were bit, they would probably
still need the anti-venom.
Diane
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Diane, I was told the same thing. by the gal that is giving all our dogs their boosters And by my niece that is a vet tech. What both have said is
that the dog has about a third or less symptoms and the anti venom works much faster. As for this new anti venom I don't have a clue how it works with
the annual vaccinations. I'll send a copy off to my niece and she can run it thru the Vets at her hospital.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
Diane, I was told the same thing. by the gal that is giving all our dogs their boosters And by my niece that is a vet tech. What both have said is
that the dog has about a third or less symptoms and the anti venom works much faster. As for this new anti venom I don't have a clue how it works with
the annual vaccinations. I'll send a copy off to my niece and she can run it thru the Vets at her hospital. |
Thanks--will be very valuable information for many of us. 
Diane
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Did a search and here is one article about this drug. Guess it's a people drug too. http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/17774
I'm a little confuse now but it does sound effective. More later.
Another article: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/83554.php definitely for humans.
[Edited on 7-29-2008 by Russ]
Just noticed the date on the second article 7/11/05 I'll keep looking.
[Edited on 7-29-2008 by Russ]
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whoa.....the current way to protect dogs is with Red Rock Biological's vaccine for rattlesnakes......the antivenom approach is outdated, except in
humans for all i know....so we dont use it in vet med anymore....most are now using the vaccine.....2 doses.....My clinic in san jose del cabo has
enough for about 15 dogs.....call there and talk to Dr. Bravo.....for stateside, have your vet get the vaccine before you travel. Now as far as im
concerned.....id want some antivenom if im nailed by a croatalid.....i hate em actually, the one thing i didnt do in vet school was rattler
handling....creeped me out, though they make great boots.
[Edited on 7-29-2008 by DrTom]
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Dr. Tom, Thanks. I was getting pretty excited about the antivenom for the dogs. And passed on a lot of miss information. Our dogs have been
vaccinated but I'm not sure what vaccine was used. The gal that gives them is somewhere in the States now. If I understood correctly with this vaccine
you're using if your dog got bit you would not administer an antivenom. Is that right? What would be the first aid after a bite? ... found the lable
of the vaccine Mason was given, "Crotalus Atox Toxoid. What can you tell me about this? He's been on it for three years.
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If you can, and it is available in your area, take your dogs to Rattlesnake avoidance training. Check with your vet, or local outdoor sports groups
(bird dogs). Also get them a vaccine each year. Slows down the effests of a snake strike.
The avoidance training really works, gets the dogs conditioned to not approach and to stay away from the snakes.
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http://www.hvjournal.com/articles.php?id=1794
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bancoduo, Great article! I just sent it off to all those I sent the antivenom article to.
bajaguy, Very good advice! "An ounce of prevention is worth ......"
Dr.Tom, I guess the article answered most of my concerns but I'd still like to hear your thoughts.
THANKS, everyone! Russ
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