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Osprey
Ultra Nomad
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Registered: 5-23-2004
Location: Baja Ca. Sur
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Hostile takeover????
Healthy Forum
You don’t need to be tuned into the Nomad long to learn from normal everyday posts that many members are personal friends – you’ll see photos of them
on Baja beaches, surfing, fishing together. Most of them made some lifelong friendships via this board. That alone would make the forum worthwhile for
many.
Also a few posts over a couple of weeks or months would let a casual reader know that hundreds of members give generously to Mexican charitable causes
like schools, orphanages, special groups, fire departments, etc. etc. – the list is long and varied. Much of that social sharing arose from online
coordination made possible by this forum.
Nomads work together in convoys, work groups, coalitions, in small groups and large for projects that help members and others while providing a
healthy outdoor outlet somewhere in Baja California.
A brand new poster/lurker wouldn’t see all that interaction the first time they logged on. When you visit a Good Will store, perhaps you can’t see
past the used goods to the hard dollars they represent to help needy people everywhere.
And speaking of Good Will --- that’s really all this board needs to be valuable to all who use it. Those who want to wipe that away should know that
if they do, they will effect the lives of thousands of people over a very long period of time.
Maybe the forum owner will jump in here soon and give us his feelings about the matter.
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woody with a view
PITA Nomad
Posts: 15939
Registered: 11-8-2004
Location: Looking at the Coronado Islands
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great points Osprey!
this is a great board. i spend WAY TOO MUCH time here myself. i think that the problems that arise are associated with the fact that once something
gets too large the law of diminishing returns take hold. that is, odds are opinions will vary because there are so many opinions.
i guess the reality is we all get along, or disagree and get over it. it's kinda like the pecking order on the playground in 2nd grade playing out all
over again. some wanna be liked. some are class clowns. some are the hotties. others wanna be bullies, etc....ad nauseum......
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David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64848
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Mood: Have Baja Fever
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There are great people everywhere and there are some bullies or player haters as well.
As woody in ob says, the bigger the group of great people, then more of the other types will be included...
Typing from behind a keyboard, usually using a handle, allows one to be a bit more opinionated or condensending than perhaps in person. A few may just
post outrageous comments or personal attacks to get a reaction or create some drama to spice up the forum.
The best thing about Baja Nomad is that we do mostly have great people here who all share a love for Baja California. Nomads share their trip stories
or Baja activities and that allows the rest of us to get to know them a bit.
I have discovered that when we finally meet in person, it almost always turns into a long term friendship and enhances our Baja travels from
exchanging tips on places to visit or actually traveling with other Nomads in Baja.
The joint efforts of Nomads to help in Baja have been great and rewarding for sure! Ferna is a bundle of energy and has been great at helping Nomads
and helping kids in need, too.
So, before you let some garbage posts chase you away from Nomad, remember that is given the player haters what they want, and taking you away from all
the good stuff you enjoy about reading Nomad or getting envolved in trip planning or heping a worthy cause.
Let's support Doug (Baja Nomad) in keeping this site on line by purchasing from the Tienda Baja Nomad, clicking on the ads by Google, using BajaBound
insurance or sending Doug an occaisional gratuity. BajaNomad.com is far more interesting and informative than any magazine subscription, and it is
free!
Have a great day and Viva Baja Nomad!
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capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
Location: Bat Cave
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"or sending Doug an occaisional gratuity."
that's the stupidest thing i have read here in a long time.
does anyone here expect to believe some one ever sent a money donation or "tip" to the owner of an ad based for-profit website?
David.....really. i am sorry but that is folly. are you offering that you actually did that? 
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64848
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Mood: Have Baja Fever
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I know Mike... you want it all for free.
I just hope I am not the only one who wants to keep Nomad on the Internet and have sent something to Doug on occaision. He doesn't make much with the
google ads, etc.
This site is worth something... just like flying... it does cost something to keep having fun.
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capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
Location: Bat Cave
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i applaud your enthusiasm David and support your good efforts to promote baja which i enjoy.
but when the dialog goes to contributing money to the operator here i have to suggest that is simply ridiculous. if you or anyone else has that level
of liquidity there are an unlimited number of good charities which do humanitarian deeds in mexico and especially baja that can use the $$, and
they'll give you a tax deduction.
as pure entertainment, yes i want it free. if i had to pay to use this forum i'd be enjoying my time elsewhere.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Shark18
Banned
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
yes i want it free. if i had to pay to use this forum i'd be enjoying my time elsewhere. |
Well, they say you always get what you pay for.
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David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64848
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Mood: Have Baja Fever
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Mike, BajaNomad.com is not a financial powerhouse... It is Doug's hobby and thanks to Doug keeping it online, thousands of people have had a place to
go to read or see more Baja.
Because of Nomad and the people here, there have been great contributions to Mexican charities.
I think Nomad is worth keeping on the Internet, and I want Doug to not have to struggle with a decision between keeping Nomad online or food for his
family. I only suggested an occaisional donation from those who appreciate the site and maybe don't buy BajaBound insurance or buy from the Tienda
Baja Nomad or click on the ads by Google. I suggest no pressure, no pointing fingers...
"if i had to pay to use this forum i'd be enjoying my time elsewhere."
Are you serious? You don't get cigars for free do you?
You suggest people pay Baja Bush Pilots just to read their forum, even if they are not pilots...
I just don't believe in 'welfair' if one is able to contribute to a site they use and enjoy. There is no free lunch, someone, somewhere pays for all
of this.
[Edited on 9-22-2008 by David K]
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Diver
Ultra Nomad
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Registered: 11-15-2004
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All good thoughts Osprey ! 
The non-Baja and senseless attacks are a bore.
The reason most of us joined was to gain and share Baja information and kinship, to meet like-minded folks and to support the place we love.
DK with good thoughts again; just stumbles on his good intentions occassionally.
And Mike, I guess I'd have to say that I would be willing, if requested, to pay some nominal fee ($25) for annual access to this board. I normally do
have to pay something for my entertainment and this board is more than that to me. 
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capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
Location: Bat Cave
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Mood: Sling time!
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relax David.
exercise your freedom to give Doug your money. no heartburn here over it, why should there be? 
however....don't kid yourself that sites like these which garner commercial ad revenue can be QUITE lurative after they grow in traffic like this
place has over the years. And Means is congratulated as well for his entreprenural spirit.
But unless Mr. Means is willing to open his private books to you (maybe he has?) or is required to do so as if it were classed or chartered to as such
an entity might, my guess is no one is starving while struggling to hold this place together. i'll check my naivete at the keyboard thank you.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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BajaGringo
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3922
Registered: 8-24-2006
Location: La Chorera
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Mood: Let's have a BBQ!
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I participate in several online forums and on one they have a subscription fee of $25 annually which is voluntary. With that subscription fee you get
access to a few forums the general membership does not. I gladly pay it as I find the value there. If Doug were to charge a subscription fee I would
gladly pay it too as I find a lot of value here, although you have to pull the boot straps up higher on some days. Some may agree, others will not -
no big deal.
Maybe the voluntary subscription with access to a couple of private forums would be a possible way of making that happen here on Baja Nomads. I serve
as moderator on some of those other forums and run a private forum for a company here in Mexico which uses it to communicate with its employees in
different offices. It is easy to control member access to specific areas of the forum in the admin tools. Maybe something worth considering.
Just my dos centavos...
edited for spelling
[Edited on 9-22-2008 by BajaGringo]
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flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
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something has bothered me for several weeks now that I just have to convey.
several weeks ago during an angry fit while thinking on politics i added a quote under my posts that carried over from offtopic to general forums.
that quote went something like this "lets pull the plug from the old geezers" it isn't the complete quote as I can't remember what it was exactly. I
believe that I offended Osprey one of the nicest kindest most thoughtful posters in doing so. the quote was made in reference to the old geezers who
govern us not old folks in general. and the word geezer defines a certain person of which type does not describe Osprey. i get defensive when
defending my beliefs which are basically passive, I believe that those who are fortunate enough to have good health, smarts and are wealthy have the
obligation to help those who are less fortunate then themselves. I do what I can in this regard and i teach this to my offspring and those around me.
I become offended when others do not think this way those same persons who would rather hurt and insult others and justify invasions and defy peace
then do good things. I defend nomads who are insulted by other nomads that try to hurt them with their words. That's the mothering instinct in me I
guess. So I am sorry for my past words and I will try to contain my anger better.
[Edited on 9-22-2008 by flyfishinPam]
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Iflyfish
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3747
Registered: 10-17-2006
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Well said Osprey!
Iflyfih
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fishbuck
Banned
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Why do these "what's wrong with the board" posts keep coming back?
Just try to enjoy it for what it is. It's an open forum and it can't really be controlled. Just like life there are unpleasant people who may comment
occationally.
Ignore them. That includes me if I get to crazy which may occur from time to time. And I'll try to ingore posts I don't like too. It works pretty
good. Try it.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Why do these "what's wrong with the board" posts keep coming back?
Just try to enjoy it for what it is. It's an open forum and it can't really be controlled. Just like life there are unpleasant people who may comment
occationally.
Ignore them. That includes me if I get to crazy which may occur from time to time. And I'll try to ingore posts I don't like too. It works pretty
good. Try it. |
Yep, that is probably the best way to look at it--------I try, but sometimes "they" get too me.
Thanks, Fishbuck.
I see that Doug has wisely removed my offending posts--------my apologies to Doug for causing him grief and time. I will really try and "watch it"
from now on.
Barry
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elizabeth
Senior Nomad
Posts: 742
Registered: 7-30-2004
Location: Loreto, BCS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
All good thoughts Osprey !
The non-Baja and senseless attacks are a bore.
The reason most of us joined was to gain and share Baja information and kinship, to meet like-minded folks and to support the place we love.
DK with good thoughts again; just stumbles on his good intentions occassionally.
And Mike, I guess I'd have to say that I would be willing, if requested, to pay some nominal fee ($25) for annual access to this board. I normally do
have to pay something for my entertainment and this board is more than that to me.
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An annual subscription fee is not a bad idea...maybe anyone can read posts, but only subscribers can post messages? It might end some of the nasty
name calling, but it won't end incivility on the board. I have seen, and even been subject to some of the most grievous, and hurtful comments at the
hands (keyboards?) of a couple of long time posters. The only thing that will end incivility is an effort on all of our parts to stop it...to decide
that we will argue about issues and not personalities...stop name calling, and to call people on it when they mount an unprovoked attack. This board
has too much to offer to let it descend into a nasty and senseless c-ckfight.
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Osprey
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3694
Registered: 5-23-2004
Location: Baja Ca. Sur
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Pam, thanks for that. Geezer is not a bad word. In my book it's an eccentric old man. Pretty much discribes the Osprey. Couldn't get arrested or
commited for most of the things I do. Never know what's next -- might get up, two in the morning, eat a ground squirrel.
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BajaGringo
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3922
Registered: 8-24-2006
Location: La Chorera
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Mood: Let's have a BBQ!
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fishbuck is right. Learning to just ignore/not respond to the trolls that appear is the best method and I am learning to do just that.
My apologies as well to any I have offended by one post or another and I do appreciate the camaraderie and good information as well as entertainment
many of you provide here.
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flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
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Mood: gone fishin'
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elizabeth I and others remember the offensive post and once that poster was made to understand his action, his smugness in defending himself. we are
on your side and fully support you. i cannot think of the motive of many of the constantly changing handles on these newbies and their agenda but
i've seen other boards taken over by these types and those here pale in comparison to them.
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Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
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I consider myself an "Ole Timer" Old Fart"," Old Geezer" and a few more labels that have been placed on me by the Mostly Younsters of this Board!
But I do Forgive them of their Sins, as I, the opposite of Vagabondo, do beleive in the Good Lord as our Creator.
As i am past 77 years of age, still Flying Airplanes, riding Horses,, Fishing, being an Alderman, Shoveling Poop, walking a mile each Day, not having
to use Viagra, and spending 38 years on the Sea of Cortez, I feel that I have earned the right to take some of these "Youngsters" to the WoodShed for
trying to Blow Smoke up Nomads Rear ends!!
The Sea of Cortez is Not Ruined!!!!
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