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Nightmare in Algodones
January 20, 2009 - 6:15 PM
BY JAMES GILBERT, SUN STAFF WRITER
The sister of the Yuma man and his grandfather, both being held in
a Mexican jail after being arrested earlier this month in Algodones,
Baja Calif., say the allegations against them are not true.
"It has been a heck of a last few days," said Yuma resident Shannon
Perkins, the sister of 40-year-old Yuma resident Gary Crisman Jr. and
granddaughter of 88-year-old Edward Crisman Sr.
"This is a horrendous situation. The allegations are completely
false. My brother would never do this. He is a good person."
According to Mexicali municipal police, they arrested the pair Jan.
8 after Gary Crisman Jr. allegedly offered to pay two girls about $20
to be photographed nude.
Perkins said that is not what happened, and that her brother and
grandfather, who is from Arlington, Wash., but winters in Yuma, have
been wrongfully arrested on false allegations.
"I have seen the photo. (Gary) took a face picture of the family,"
Perkins said. "I have seen all the photos. The Mexican authorities
had them printed out. There are no nude photos."
The two remained in jail in Mexicali Tuesday while prosecutors
determined whether to seek charges against them.
Kathy Carlin, the administrative assistant at the Assembly of God
Church in Arlington, said that Edward Crisman Sr. has attended for
many decades, describes him as a religious and well-respected man.
"He is the most precious elderly gentleman. There is nothing about
him that isn't honorable and upstanding."
Carlin added she felt the circumstances surrounding Crisman's
arrest were unbelievable.
"It is just unreal. How can something like this happen?" Carlin
said. "This is something that you would see in a movie and not ever
expect to happen in real life."
Here is what Perkins said actually happened:
She said her brother, Gary Crisman Jr., needed to go to Algodones
to have some dental work done and took their grandfather, who turns
89 in April, along with him.
"It was Gary's first time to drive across," Perkins said. "They
took the car because grandfather couldn't walk."
After Gary Crisman's dental work, the pair stopped at a convenience
store. Edward Crisman waited in the car while his grandson went to
buy a soda.
"They had been taking cultural photos throughout the day," Perkins
said. "There were pictures of sombreros and sidewalk vendors. He even
had pictures of him and grandfather they had asked people to take for
them."
While inside the store, Perkins said, her brother asked a family in
the convenience store if he could pay them $25 to take their photos.
"He asked the mother if he could take their picture and she gave
him permission, and even took his money," Perkins said. "He only took
headshots of them."
Local police pulled Crisman's car over two blocks later and
arrested both men on a charge of intent for pornography, taking their
money, passports and other belongings in the process.
Perkins said her brother and grandfather were taken to a holding
cell in Ciudad Morelos, Baja Calif., where they were kept for several
days.
She said they were held there for two days and had nothing to eat
and no place to use the bathroom. On the third day, she said, a
charitable organization brought them food, blankets and an old
mattress to sleep on and that her brother asked the man delivering
the items to contact his family.
"My brother snuck him his telephone number," Perkins said. "Had he
not done that, we never would have known where they were."
According to an article that appeared in The Herald, the newspaper
in Edward Crisman Sr.'s hometown of Arlington, after six days, the
case was brought in front of a judge and both men were found innocent.
The judge also said they'd be released the next day.
However, when Perkins' father returned the next day to pick them
up, authorities said the verdict had been changed. Both men were then
transferred to a jail in Mexicali, according to the article in the
Herald.
The Herald article also stated that the day Perkins went to visit
her brother and grandfather, she waited in line for hours to see the
two. They were being held in a concrete cell with 40 other prisoners.
The room had one toilet and her grandfather had been sleeping on a
metal bed frame with no mattress.
Perkins said her family has hired an attorney to fight the charges.
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Pay someone $25.00 to take their picture? Seems most of us have been taking photos on the cheap.
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It seems like there must be more? This doesn't normally happen on the east side.
wish them luck
Mick
Getting there is ALL the fun!
Ok being here is fun to
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Something ain't right
I'm in Algodones frequently and I know for a fact the police have standing orders not to mess with people coming over as most of them spend a lot of
money in the Pharmacies and Dental Offices.
Most of the time if you don't do something really bad they just escort you to US Customs and say don't come back until you can behave!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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"This is a horrendous situation. The allegations are completely
false. My brother would never do this. He is a good person."
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what about Gramps? i'm just sayin'.... does anyone ever admit when they're caught? 
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"According to Mexicali municipal police, they arrested the pair Jan.
8 after Gary Crisman Jr. allegedly offered to pay two girls about $20
to be photographed nude."
and this is illegal in Mexico? How do the events in TJ get a pass?
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David K, I read something years ago in a guidebook (Peoples Guide to Mexico.. I think) that production of pornography is illegal in Mexico. If I
remember correctly possession of it is illegal too.
I know it seems silly considering all the stuff that goes on in TJ and other cities. I've passed many of newspaper stands that would make sailor
blush. But, well.. it's Mexico.
The guidebook I read was pointing out the conflict between the law and what actually happens in Mexico. I knew people that would often take old
playboys, etc.. to give to the guys at the checkpoints. But, I am sure the police could hassle you for having them just the same.
I think there must be more to this story. I can't imagine anyone taking a "cultural photo" in a pharmacy.. let alone paying someone $25 to do it.
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If that's what it takes to see those pics and hear more about the trip, I'll be there. See ya in the morning.
Lar.
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bbbait,
Looking forward to your pics ...
CaboRon
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Detentions in Mexico creating an international stir
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/02/01/20090201al...
by Dennis Wagner
Feb. 1, 2009
LOS ALGODONES, Baja California Norte - The pornography arrest of an 88-year-old snowbird in Mexico, along with his grandson, is quickly escalating
into an international incident.
Family members of Edward Chrisman of Washington, who was jailed Jan. 8 with 40-year-old Gary Chrisman Jr., say the two men are victims of Mexican
injustice.
But the woman who pressed charges for soliciting nude photographs of her 13-year-old daughter said police acted properly.
The Chrismans are about to enter their fourth week behind bars while family members carry on a publicity campaign declaring they are innocent targets
of an attempted shakedown. Shannon Perkins, sister of Gary Chrisman Jr., said Mexican officials twice suggested that charges would be dropped if
family members came up with thousands of dollars in bribe money.
"The corruption and injustice in Mexico are completely out of control," Perkins wrote in a letter to the media. "When people become so desperately
greedy for money that they would fabricate atrocious stories and slander two innocent men's reputations without remorse, we have a serious problem on
our hands."
In an interview with The Arizona Republic last week, the 13-year-old girl's mother offered an entirely different account. The mother, who filed the
criminal complaint, said she and her daughter are not greedy or corrupt Mexicans, but U.S. citizens who live in Yuma and filed the police report out
of fear.
"This is the truth," the girl's mother concluded, her eyes welling. "My daughter is afraid. . . . And all the lies keep coming" in news stories.
Conflicting accounts
Los Algodones is a popular border destination just southwest of Yuma, where tourists seek cut-rate prescription medications and low-cost medical care.
Most of the town's estimated 4,000 residents depend on dollars from American visitors for subsistence, and the community even has a squad of special
"tourism police" to ensure good relations.
All of which makes the he-said-she-said incident at the mother's novelty store, Novedades Jasmine, all the more puzzling.
According to Perkins, her grandfather and brother visited the Mexican town Jan. 8 so Gary Chrisman could have dental work done. Although most tourists
park at the border and walk into Mexico, Perkins said, her brother drove across the border because of his grandfather's failing health.
She added that Gary Jr., a Yuma security guard, had received a camera for Christmas and was taking cultural pictures in Mexico. So the two men drove
beyond the main tourist zone and stopped at Novedades Jasmine to buy a soda. Inside, Gary Chrisman Jr. asked the girl and two young women if he could
take their photographs. According to Perkins, one of the women requested money, and Gary Jr. gave her about $25.
The mother's version of the event: The Chrismans first visited on Jan. 5 while her daughter was tending the shop with two other women. The mother said
Gary Chrisman entered the store alone and took some normal pictures with permission, then said, "Without clothes, I'll pay more." When the girls
refused, the girl's mother said, the visitor displayed a knife and said things would go bad if the girls told anyone. She added that the man wrote his
name and phone number on a sheet of paper, telling the girls to call if they had a change of heart.
She said her daughter was shaken that day as she told of the incident.
On Jan. 8, she said, Chrisman returned and again offered to pay for photos without clothing. "My daughter told him, 'No, and get out of here.' "
The girl's mother said she arrived in her car as the men were driving away. She followed, calling police on her cellphone.
As a businesswoman who relies partly on tourism, she said she has no motive to fabricate such a story. She added that her daughter remains fearful and
has been traumatized by media coverage.
"They say I'm telling lies, but police have a page with his name and number on it," she added.
Jail conditions
Perkins said her brother and father have clean records, and it makes no sense that they would risk arrest for naked pictures when there is a free
strip-tease bar just down the street.
Perkins also noted that allegations about a knife are not in the police report. "Absolutely ridiculous. Gary doesn't even own a knife," she said.
After the arrest, Perkins said, her grandfather and brother were held in horrid conditions, forced to sleep on concrete without food, water or family
notification.
The two men had no hearing for five days, she said, and were told they had been found innocent. But that decision was promptly reversed, and they were
shipped to a prison in Mexicali, where they remain.
Early this week, Perkins and other family members offered to provide documents for a news report on the case. However, when a reporter arrived in
Yuma, a representative refused to divulge the records or the name of the family's attorney in Mexico.
Foreign affairs
Accounts of what happened in Los Algodones merge on one important point: Edward Chrisman did not enter the store.
The girl's mother said she has no idea why the octogenarian was arrested and does not believe he should be in jail.
"We're so outraged that this could happen," Perkins said. "My grandfather wasn't even doing anything. He was in the car."
Even Los Algodones Mayor Hector Guzman said he is mystified and is pressing for a quick resolution to the court case.
Guzman became part of the intrigue early when he did a television interview and declared that photographs seized from Gary Chrisman Jr.'s camera are
not illegal. Some media reports indicated the mayor had ruled both men innocent.
In fact, Guzman said, he does not know what happened in the store and will let the justice system determine guilt or innocence.
Media coverage further fueled the controversy. Initial news reports in Mexico contained lurid, inaccurate allegations and distorted mug shots.
Subsequent online reports in the United States were somewhat sympathetic to the Chrisman family.
An Internet article by KOMO-TV of Seattle, Wash., appeared under the headline: "Family: Wrongfully held man may die in Mexican jail."
The Chrisman family is trying to apply political and economic pressure on other fronts. Last week, Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., announced she would
contact the State Department.
Guzman said he is aware that the case has international implications. "It's very difficult," he added. "We never have problems like this. This is a
peaceful pueblo, and we always respect people whether they are citizens or not."
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Mexico vacation became a disaster
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090201/NEWS01/702019903&a...
An elderly Arlington man and his son aren't the first to run into problems with the country's legal system.
By Debra Smith
February 1, 2009
ARLINGTON -- Robert Hood left for a fishing trip along the coast of Mexico, and when he finally returned, he was never the same.
Mexican police arrested Hood on arson charges after someone set fire to a fishing shack near where he was staying in San Felipe. Hood, a World War II
veteran with a spotless record, languished for days in a filthy, crowded Mexican prison in 1982.
Hood was eventually released after a barrage of bad press from both sides of the border began to hurt tourism.
He came home 50 pounds lighter and was broken emotionally, said his son, Gary Hood of Stanwood. His father talked of hearing other prisoners being
tortured and beaten. The prison was so crowded, his father spoke of sleeping standing up.
"It changed my dad," Hood said. "He became reclusive, not as happy. He was like a prisoner of war."
Hood can't help but be struck by the apparent similarities in his late father's case and that of Edward Chrisman, 88, who is being held in a Mexican
prison, the Carcel de Mexicali in the state of Baja California Norte.
Edward Chrisman, a longtime resident of Arlington, was wintering in Yuma, Ariz., when he decided to take a quick trip across the border with his
grandson, Gary Chrisman Jr. Mexican police arrested both men the same day, Jan. 8, saying the pair tried to pay young girls to pose nude for photos.
The Chrisman family maintains the men are innocent. The family said Gary Chrisman Jr. stopped at a convenience store for a soda and, while there,
asked a mother if he could take photos of her daughters. He'd been taking photos of Mexican culture all day with a new camera. The mother granted
permission and he gave her $25. He snapped head shots of the two fully-clothed girls and left the store. Edward Chrisman never even went into the
store.
Family members were asked by an intermediary to pay $2,000 to the prosecuting attorney "to make the situation disappear," Shannon Perkins, Edward
Chrisman's granddaughter, said. The payment was not made.
The pair has been held in a crowded Mexicali prison as their family members travel across the border daily trying to get them released. They fear
Edward Chrisman, who apparently has contracted pneumonia at the prison, won't survive the ordeal.
Trial could be months away.
About 400 Americans are detained in Mexican prisons at any time, said Charles Smith, a public affairs officer for the U.S. Consulate General in
Tijuana. His office monitors the Baja peninsula in Mexico, where the Chrismans are being held. Of all Americans arrested on foreign soil, one in five
is arrested in Baja California.
U.S. has little recourse
When Americans hear about cases such as the Chrismans, they want to know why the U.S. government can't do something to help. The U.S. Consulate only
has the authority to monitor conditions of American prisoners. No other agency or U.S. politician can do much more.
While in Mexico, "You are subject to the same judicial system as the people living in Mexico," Smith said.
And Mexico is no place to get tangled up with the law.
Human rights organizations report problems with overcrowded prisons, corrupt officials and human rights abuses for both prisoners and victims.
Americans won't find that mentioned on Mexico's tourism Web site.
A chasm exists between Mexican law and how justice is meted out, according to a 2007 report from Amnesty International.
Individuals are sometimes detained on the basis of obviously flawed or spurious evidence, often well beyond the country's legal limits allowed for
pretrial detention, the organization found. Others are denied access to adequate legal advice at precisely the point when they are most at risk for
torture and other abuses.
Joe King, a former U.S. Customs special agent who worked in San Diego, has a more blunt assessment.
"It's a dump," said King, who now teaches about terrorism and organized crime at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "The prisons
are all rat traps and they're all corrupt."
King has worked in law enforcement internationally, including undercover in Northern Ireland and Beirut, Lebanon.
When it comes to Mexico, "The only way I'd go back there is if I were a hostage," he said.
He said it's common for cars with American license plates to get pulled over in Mexico. It happened to him regularly.
"Who are you going to shake down, a local guy who knows you or your cousin? Or somebody who is not likely to complain?" he said.
It's not unheard of for Americans to become entangled with the Mexican judicial system without cause, said David Shirk, a University of San Diego
professor involved in the Trans-Border Institute. The research institute advocates for changes in the Mexican judicial system.
"We do see cases of predatory behavior by law enforcement who are trying to extract bribes, especially by tourists in cases where they can extract
material gain," he said.
However, Shirk said he doesn't see how police would gain by improperly detaining the Chrismans.
Holes in the system
The concept of Mexico's legal system is similar to that in many European countries. Unlike the U.S. model, two sides do not vigorously compete in
front of a neutral court.
In Mexico, a prosecutor gathers evidence and then presents it to a judge, who decides if there is enough evidence to move forward with a trial, he
said. It's presumed the court is engaged in finding truth. Until recently, the Mexican court system was less public and relied heavily on slow-moving
rulings made in writing.
A legal system like Mexico's works markedly better in Spain and France, where there is well-developed legal infrastructure, Shirk said. Mexico doesn't
have the professionals needed to support the system, and that results in backlogs, delays and little ability to determine if someone should be
released on bail.
More than 40 percent of prisoners in Mexico have never been convicted of a crime, Human Rights Watch reported in its 2009 World Report. These
prisoners are held in pretrial detention, often waiting years for a trial. Inmates frequently are subject to abuses, including extortion by guards.
In 2008, Mexico passed constitutional reform to overhaul the criminal justice system.
Jorge Vargas, a law professor at the University of San Diego, said he receives calls from all over the U.S. seeking his counsel on cases like the
Chrismans' ordeal.
"My impression is sometimes the information you get from families is objective and sometimes it's rather exaggerated," he said.
Many Americans arrested by Mexican police are quick to cry corruption, he said.
"In some cases, the Americans aren't truthful and the system is not that lousy," said Vargas, who has worked as an attorney for the Mexican government
and in international law for the United Nations.
American prisons have serious problems too, including racial disparities, gangs, drugs, murders and other violence within penitentiary walls.
Harsh conditions
The Chrisman family has been told it may be months before the cases against Edward Chrisman and his grandson go to trial.
The family fears that Edward Chrisman's health is failing.
He appears pale, weak and dehydrated, said his son, Gary Chrisman Sr. The family learned from a prison doctor he's being treated for pneumonia and
extreme insomnia. Prison officials moved him to a section for the elderly where conditions are better, including warm showers and a bed with a
mattress.
Earlier, Edward Chrisman was kept in a small, concrete cell with dozens of other men. He had to sleep on a metal bed frame with no mattress. That's
where his grandson remains.
Mexican prisons generally are overcrowded and often unsanitary, Shirk said. The quality and quantity of food served is often poor. Prisoners have to
buy virtually everything they need, including blankets and clean clothing, Shirk said.
On the other hand, Mexican prisoners often have more freedoms behind the walls than in American institutions. Some prisons feature mini-villages where
prisoners can set up taco stands. Inmates are allowed conjugal visits.
Still, Mexican prisons are harsh places for the elderly, Shirk said.
"His family has cause to be concerned," he said.
In 1982, it was bad publicity, not the law, that set Gary Hood's father free.
"These border towns need tourists spending their dollars," Hood said. "Even in that short period of time, it was bad enough the mayor and the police
chief made things happen."
Hood grew up in the California border town of Chula Vista, south of San Diego, but you won't catch him setting foot in Mexico.
"I wouldn't go to Mexico if they paid me a billion dollars," he said. "My dad was never the same."
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Family members were asked by an intermediary to pay $2,000 to the prosecuting attorney "to make the situation disappear," Shannon Perkins, Edward
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If my brother and grandfather were in a Mexican jail I'd pay the 2k.
Wouldn't you?
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Family members were asked by an intermediary to pay $2,000 to the prosecuting attorney "to make the situation disappear," Shannon Perkins, Edward
Chrisman's granddaughter, said. The payment was not made.
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If my brother and grandfather were in a Mexican jail I'd pay the 2k.
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I would if I was guilty.
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I would if I was guilty. |
Guilty or not, if it got to that stage, it went too far. The longer one is left in jail on principle, the more expensive it gets.
Pay up and get out then, make it your life's reason to let the world know what happened and didn't.
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I would if I was guilty. |
Guilty or not, if it got to that stage, it went too far. The longer one is left in jail on principle, the more expensive it gets.
Pay up and get out then, make it your life's reason to let the world know what happened and didn't. |
I know you're correct.
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I sympathize with these folks and their family but I would also add that nobody here knows what the real story is. What does bother me though is what
I hear from the two sides of this story and consider their motivations. On the one hand you have the owner of a business in Los Algodones, who is a
US citizen making the charge. Why would she go so far to hurt the very tourism business she depends and on and makes a living from to make a few extra
bucks?
Then I read the version of the son who in own his statement says that he offered to pay $25 to take the photo of a young girl. Is there one single
Nomad out there who would pay $25 to anybody to take their photo in a similar situation as he described? I seriously doubt it.
I do agree that the old man should be released unless they can show some reason why he is connected to this. Then just let the justice system sort
things out as I am sure the truth is out there somewhere.
Just my two cents...
By the way - If it is true that they were offered the men's freedom in exchange for two thousand bucks I would have paid it in a heartbeat. Still
can't figure out what the family was thinking there...
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I couldn't live with myself if I left a family member in those conditions to die because I couldn't part with $2k.
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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Then I read the version of the son who in own his statement says that he offered to pay $25 to take the photo of a young girl. Is there one single
Nomad out there who would pay $25 to anybody to take their photo in a similar situation as he described? I seriously doubt it.
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I thought about that as well. I do think it can and does happen. Asking to take photos is a courtesy, and paying for them in return isn't that too far
fetched.
That might not happen to a Nomad in Baja or Mex. but it was asked of me one time in Jamaica. Our tour guide told us that we had to ask people before
taking their photos, and if $ were offered you were more likely to get yes for an answer.
We've all seen people flash big bucks around when it really isn't necessary. This could have been one of those times.
Just my two pesos.
P.
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I gues it is possible - just seemed strange to me.
Since two pesos is worth about 14 cents I guess it beats my two...
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It seemed strange to me too. It does leave it open to suspicion.
I never thought about the value of the peso when it comes to opinions. I'll have to keep that in mind.
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