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David K
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A look at old Rancho SAN GREGORIO in 1960 vs. 2001
It is interesting to compare photos taken many years apart, as we have seen with the 1966 vs. 2009 photos at Choral Pepper's 'Lost Mission' ruins near
Las Animas.
Rancho San Gregorio is an old ranch that was built on the Golfo Camino Real, 8.6 miles southeast of Mision San Borja.
The auto road ends 1/4 mile short of the ranch... a short hike on the mission trail brings you to the small oasis in the desert.
In August of 1960, Howard Gulick researching for his third edition of the Lower California Guidebook took the first three photos... one was published
in his book.
First, here's Howard Gulick's map of the region... note the road between San Borja and San Gregorio:
In April, 2001 with Neal Johns, Amo Pescar, and my son Chris we visited the now abandoned rancho. We noticed that the foundation of the adobe ranch
house was on blocks of cut stone. This is very much an indication of mission-era construction... and being at an oasis, San Gregorio was likely a way
station or visita of the mission at San Borja.
Near the ranch were terraced and filled growing fields:
Walking back to Amo's truck/camper... it is parked at the end of the road from San Borja:
Near the truck, was another from a past time... that never left!:
Here is the 2003 topo of the area:
I have GPS data if anyone would like more details on visiting this ranch from the past!
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[Edited on 2-5-2009 by David K]
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Bajaboy
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cool pix-thanks!
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David K
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Thanks Zac!
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ligui
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Thanks David ! A must stop on my next trip down .
Love the out of the way places .... thanks
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neat photos for sure...it would be awesome to find out who's old car that is...could be another challenge for ya david...
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David in the second 2001 photo down there appears to be an old car above the roof of the house or was it some other left over relic?
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very nice,,, how hard is it to get to
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These are really interesting. Any idea why the ranch was abandoned?
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Thanks for those, I love before and after photos of places like that (and old maps, too). I will seek this place out in the near future!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
David in the second 2001 photo down there appears to be an old car above the roof of the house or was it some other left over relic?
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I see what you mean TW, but those are boulders... that just happen to look like a French car !
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
very nice,,, how hard is it to get to |
The road from San Borja is seldom used and the vegetation will add 'Baja pin stripes' to any large vehicle, such as Amo's camper.
The road ends at some 'line shacks' (I think that's what Neal called them) used by ranchers when they move their cattle through the area, etc.
Just before the line shacks, the road for San Gregorio forks off to the right (it is very faint and overgrown)... and somes to a parking area where
the hike begins. As I mentioned above, the hike is about 1/4 mile or a bit more... The El Camino Real (Golfo Camino Real) is the trail to the right
along the hill... Or, follow the arroyo trail, below it.
We walked in on the arroyo trail and walked back out on the mission trail.
I should have mentioned to TW that no way could a car get to the rancho, as he thought he saw above it.
Also, be warned that I have not been back there since 2001, so things may have changed.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
These are really interesting. Any idea why the ranch was abandoned? |
My guess is to be closer to modern comforts... The far back ranchos that are off the grid and even off the road have to have some real appeal to get
people to stay there.
There are large fruit trees in the arroyo by the ranch, including a huge citrus and guava tree.
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David K
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Thank you all for the comments...
Baja is FULL of adventure and places to see... a photo does not replace experiencing the place in person!
If this sort of thing interests you, I recommend you pick up a copy of the Lower California Guidebook ('62, '64, '67 or '70 printings) and learn about
these places!
Here is the San Gregorio photo as it appeared in the guidebook, in black & white:
Until you have the guidebook, you can use my web site(vivabaja.com) to find interesting sites... that's what it is there for!
[Edited on 2-1-2015 by David K]
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Is that the same San Gregorio from "Corazon Vaquero"?
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
Is that the same San Gregorio from "Corazon Vaquero"? |
No, (an excellent movie, by-the-way) that San Gregorio is in the Sierra de San Francisco near the giant cave art sites.
This San Gregorio has been unoccupied for quite some time when we were there.
'Santiago' (Jim) talks about going to San Gregorio in this post from 10-10-2006... on a hike on the Gulfo Camino Real: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=19922
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This San Gregorio has been unoccupied for quite some time when we were there.
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Well, I can solve THAT---------------I am calling Tiger today------
Barry
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View looking north from parking area:
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David K
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On top of that volcanic plug is a cross...
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Great thread and photos David - thanks!
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Very cool and that photo Neal is killer.
David I thinkTW is looking at something different above or on that roof! Here is a blowup:
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